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submitted 10 months ago by mondoman712@lemmy.ml to c/fuck_cars@lemmy.ml

It's insane the lengths that some people will go to save a few seconds on their commute, while also endangering others.

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[-] unmagical@lemmy.ml 92 points 10 months ago

I don't understand why these people can't see the cameras are there to protect everyone - including drivers.

Maybe because cameras can't protect anyone. They gather evidence for incrimination, not prevention.

[-] mondoman712@lemmy.ml 44 points 10 months ago

From 1992 to 2016, speed cameras reduced accidents by between 17 to 39 per cent and fatalities by between 58 to 68 per cent within 500 metres of the cameras.

https://www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-news-from-LSE/2017/10-October-2017/Speed-cameras-reduce-road-accidents-and-traffic-deaths-according-to-new-study

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[-] verysoft@kbin.social 21 points 10 months ago

Speed cameras do prevent speeding, they are used to trap in some cases, but almost always they are sign posted, which causes people to slow down.

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[-] Aatube@kbin.social 17 points 10 months ago

How so? Isn't knowing the consequence a form of prevention?

[-] highenergyphysics@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

You’ll never get a real answer because the types of people that post these idiotic disingenuous complaints about speed cameras have nothing to say to the simple question:

Why not just drive within the speed limit?

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[-] CommodoreSixtyFour_@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 10 months ago

That is a bad take.

TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.

There are rules that every driver has to adhere to. The rules are there for protection of the drivers and the people that rely on the drivers driving safely. But the thing is: without consequences, some people show bad behaviour, one being ignoring the rules which are made to keep people safe. In order to suppress such behaviour, fines and punishment are used.

I have been driving cars for around 10 years and have gotten a fine three times. The amount I paid for it in total was roughly 10 Euros per year, which is less than 1 Euro per month. And I could have avoided having to pay this by just being mindful and acting according to the rules, which I did not.

If people feel like they should drive 120 kmh in a 50 kmh zone or even worse, without any proper justification, they do not belong behind the wheel of a car.

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[-] wopazoo@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago

Do you not feel discouraged from speeding or running red lights when there are traffic enforcement cameras watching?

[-] yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee 43 points 10 months ago

Governments are clamping down on protests against climate change: * silence *

Some idiots cut down speed cameras the people living there specifically asked for: YEAH! Fuck the police!!!1! Rage against the machine!!!1! Fuck mass surveillance!!!1!

Priorities , I guess.

[-] Microplasticbrain@lemm.ee 22 points 10 months ago

Its easy to cut down a camera... How the fuck would you even go about trying to fix the first one a petition or someshit? Booooring fires up chainsaw

[-] explodicle@local106.com 13 points 10 months ago

Not that I would ever seriously suggest this, but we could start crowdfunding the sabotage of polluting factories. Payout goes to whichever anonymous person correctly "guesses" the downtime. Just joking of course.

[-] Microplasticbrain@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

Man I would love to see that happen in a video game

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[-] Rom@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago

If people are driving too fast on a road then the road is badly designed. Speed cameras are a bandage covering up the problem of shit infrastructure.

[-] mondoman712@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago

Better infrastructure would be great, but there will always be places where you will need to drive slower than the designed speed, and drivers should be able to follow that if they're going to be allowed to pilot a large and dangerous vehicle.

[-] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago

I mean so what's to be done then. I agree on "redesign pretty much every street or road" but like, until then, it's just a great big free for all?

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[-] wopazoo@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Traffic calming and speed cameras are carrot and stick in lowering the speed of roads. Lowering the design speed of roads alone is never going to stop drivers in a hurry from driving dangerously fast. People aren't deterred from commiting crimes by heavy penalties, they are deterred by the chance of getting caught. Automatic traffic enforcement raises that chance to 100%.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.

When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.

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[-] OmnipotentEntity@beehaw.org 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"Speed trap" cameras are an entirely apt name. The solution to speeding isn't cameras, or patrols, or administrative controls, it's traffic calming, and that reduces capacity, so it's not considered. The trap is driving on the road at speeds they seem to be designed for, with speed limits significantly lower.

Fuck cars, but fuck cops more. We don't need to live in a panopticon. These cameras are a step in the wrong direction, and while I don't think the person who cut them down is doing the right thing for the right reasons, they are doing the right thing.

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[-] Steve@startrek.website 21 points 10 months ago

Lol when I read the title I was happy for them

[-] ntzm@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago

They should put up a new one for each one vandalised

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