How Israeli forces trapped and killed ravers at the Nova Festival (new.thecradle.co)

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[-] Papercrane@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

It's getting harder and harder to actually know what to believe anymore. I know this whole situation isn't black and white but still. There is always some new snippet to a story that complete 180 degree flips the sides. Who can even tell at this point what is true and what not if you weren't at the spot where it happened

[-] intelshill@lemmy.ca 13 points 10 months ago

This the the textbook IDF playbook: flood the zone with shit so people don't care anymore.

[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 10 months ago

You have to do trend analysis instead of object analysis.

At the end of the day, the only value of the rave story is propaganda to convince people to support either the Westphalian nation-state of Israel or the people of Palestine.

If you analyze the bigger picture and trends, the Westphalian nation-state of Israel started when the English used the doctrine of terra nullius to slaughter Palestinians and establish a place where Europe could send people who were Jewish (since Europe was anti-semitics and didn't want Jews in their home countries). That community became the Westphalian nation-state of Israel. The Palestinian people still do not have an internationally recognized nation-state. In the trend analysis, what happened at the rave doesn't matter to this question. The contemporary nation-state we call Israel is built on genocide just like every other colony setup by the Europeans (Canada, USA, Cuba, Mexico, Australia, New Zealand, most of South America, etc). It is therefore illegitimate as a nation-state. If over a century of violent oppression led to a bunch of revolutionary resistance fighters killing innocent people at a party, that's not going to change my mind about what the situation is. It's going to provide evidence that there is serious suffering and dehumanization that needs to be worked through in order to establish a sustainable solution, but every solution requires an acknowledgement that the contemporary nation-state we call Israel is illegitimate and has no claim to land, resources, or security.

To be clear, the people of Israel, what we might call the nation of Israelites, they have a right to life, to security, to national self direction. That people are different than the state. The state can be dismantled and the people can still have national self direction.

[-] VoightKampffTested@lemdro.id 1 points 9 months ago

Good post!

[-] SloppyPuppy@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago

Just ignore the hundreds of hours of footage captured by Hammas terrorists body cams filming themselves slaughtering hundreds of people. Ignore them…

[-] intelshill@lemmy.ca 0 points 10 months ago

Whataboutism

[-] SloppyPuppy@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

Theres literally hundreds of self filmed videos of hammas killing hundreds at nova.

[-] intelshill@lemmy.ca 0 points 10 months ago

Still whataboutism

[-] SloppyPuppy@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Im literally answering the first phrase of the article.

“New evidence points to Israeli security forces, not Hamas, for causing the most fatalities at the music festival”

No, most of the dead at nova were killed by Palestinians who proudly filmed themselves doing it. There are hundreds of videos like these showing hundreds of Israelis slaughtered by, again, PALESTINIANS. Hundreds of dead Israelis who represent the vast majority of dead at nova.

[-] intelshill@lemmy.ca 0 points 10 months ago

Have you quantified that?

[-] SloppyPuppy@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yea ive seen a lot of them live on oct 7 as they were posted proudly by Palestinians on telegram. And the days later of videos found on gopros strapped on Palestinians proudly filming what they did.