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Raspberry Pi is now manufacturing 70,000 Pi 5s per week, will surge to 90,000 in February (www.tomshardware.com)

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[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 218 points 2 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

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[-] DoctorWhookah@sh.itjust.works 61 points 2 years ago

Yea. I miss those days.

[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 56 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I wouldn't expect that kind of price anymore except for the Zero models.

[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 97 points 2 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

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[-] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 60 points 2 years ago

Yep. The initial idea was to have a cheap SBC, that you could give to an entire classroom without being worried too much if some of them break. 35€ are not exactly cheap, but doable. 80-90€ is simply not viable for that purpose anymore.

At the same time, for more serious projects, it's lacking too many features like sata, pcie, etc., etc.

I feel like RPi is coasting on momentum, without a clear direction.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago

The initial idea was to have a cheap SBC, that you could give to an entire classroom without being worried too much if some of them break.

[-] Norgur@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

You know that RPi 5 actually does have PCIe, right?
And you know that RPI Zero 2W is as fast as an Raspberry pi 3, so plenty fast for the purpose you described, right?

And you know that the RPi 4 and 5 in particular are so fast that they can easily power your homelanb, 3d printer, smart home and NAS without breaking a sweat, right?

[-] DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz 25 points 2 years ago

Yet they're still inferior to even older x86 hardware. You can pick up a used NUC (or similar) for less than a pi 4 and it blows it out of the water on performance, while using only marginally more power.

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[-] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago

I'd rather have x86 tbh. Thanks for letting me know these exist.

[-] towerful@programming.dev 10 points 2 years ago

A refurbished thin client from eBay. Or a refubed sff/usff.
They are pretty much the same price these days, and come with a case/PSU.
If you don't need the GPIO and special connectors that a raspberry pi has, sff/usff is going to be cheaper, has upgradeable ram&sata and some have pcie3.0 slot.
Running pihole (let's be honest, a huge reason people buy a pi)? Get a usff/sff, slap an SSD (probably the cost of a raspberry pi case/PSU/SD-card) in there and an intel i340-t4 4port NIC (this is extra. Can just use the onboard NIC), and install proxmox. Then run pihole in a VM. And now you have spare capacity to run a whole bunch of other fun things, with the safety net of snapshots and backups so if you mess up a config you can just roll another VM.

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[-] Pringles@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago

I was in the market for something low budget with two nics for a local firewall. Since this gave me a nice discount on top, I ordered a zimaboard now as it's pretty much exactly what I need. Thanks for the tip

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[-] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

That's fine, but that means that it's no longer anything special for a lot of the home server stuff a lot of people do with them.

There are loads of cheap, small (not as small, but small enough for most people not to care) used x86 systems (eg thinkcentre) that I can grab instead.

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[-] ashok36@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

The cheapest rpi that isn't a zero or pico started at $35. You can buy a Pi 4 Model B 1GB for $35 on pishop.us right now.

The pi 5 won't ever be $35 because that's not the price point it was designed to hit. That's why they have a range of products, so you can buy the one that fits your budget.

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[-] Norgur@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago

You can get the zero 2 w for 15-20

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[-] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 77 points 2 years ago

The Pi foundation showed their true colors. Don't continue to support them.

[-] tamiya_tt02@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago

What did they do, I'm out of the loop?

[-] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 117 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Completely abandoned their original hobbyist customer base and sent all their inventory to B2B sales channels and scalpers for several years.

And now that they're finally providing B2C vendors with stock, they've jacked up the prices by 100% to 300%.

Don't forget the Raspberry Pi foundation was supposed to be a nonprofit and the only reason they're the premier SBC is the community. Other boards have better specs, at a better price, with better features. The community support, the hobbyists, are the primary reason why they are what they are.

That's just one bad action, but their had been plenty others recently. Some other comments here have provided information you should read, such as hiring police officers who specialized in using Pi's for surveillance..

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago

Also if you get a slightly bigger form factor, you can just buy a much better one.

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[-] ShortN0te@lemmy.ml 71 points 2 years ago

The 3B+ was probably the high of the raspberry pi. It is still pretty much unrivaled in terms of idle power consumption and energy efficiency (or at least i have not seen any other SBC that got below 0.5 Watts on idle) on the consumer market.

But i have trouble investing further into them.

They do not post any update guides for newer Debian releases and basically only support new deployments.
It looks like they are abandoning their older products. vcgencmd for example is still broken on the 3B+. Since they "fixed" it for the 4B. See https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/1224

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 68 points 2 years ago

Are they still telling their users to suck it?

https://eiara.nz/posts/2022/Dec/09/a-case-study-on-raspberry-pis-incident-on-the-fediverse/

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 60 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Pi 5 sucks massive balls.

They now require a special power supply for it to work else it just crashes under load. Their use of USB C is insanely confusing because it doesn't work with any normal USB C psu.

This power supply costs 15 bucks which conveniently isn't included in the price. Also a heat sink that costs 6 bucks.

Also they stuck with micro hdmi which sucks. (even more special accessories needed)

The required accessories almost cost as much as just an old pi.

I hope the community jumps over to Rockchip based boards soon. Pi has taken the communities open source efforts and spit in their face.

Risc5 is also interesting but that seems to be a far bigger task since it need recompilation of a lot of existing stuff

[-] shea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 2 years ago

Wow, at the start of this comment i thought you were just being overly negative, but one by one, each point crushed me a little more. it's so sad what's become of this once great little product. The special power supply is a complete and total deal breaker for so many reasons. that eliminated so many use cases for me. And the lack of a standard hdmi port (or even usb c video output) is just the shtty cherry on top.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yeah power seems like such a small thing but for an SBC it's a pretty big deal.

The power usage is also pretty crushing for it the Pi's usage in hobby Robotics. Finally we have some computing power but now it's unusable because how are you going to get 5V5A from a powerbank? We could power the Pi4 from a decent USB C supporting powerbank, But this is no longer the case for the Pi5.

If they supported "normal" USB PD then at least a powerbank with quick-charge support (9v3a) would work and give you the same total 25W wattage. And the PD USB chargers would have been way cheaper because 9v3A get mass produced. This 5V5A is some Apple tier of "propriatary" standard and I really wonder why they did it.

[-] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Even the recommended 5V3A supply for the Pi4 is non-standard and requires you to either buy the official power brick or wade through a sea of sketchy Chinese knockoffs that may or may not deliver their rated power. I don't understand why they haven't explored alternative connectors or slapped a voltage regulator on the board in order to use a 12V supply. 5V5A USB is just ridiculous. USB only makes sense when you're using universal requirements, but this might as well be a barrel connector as you can't use any normal USB charger with it.

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[-] InputZero@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

Is there a RasPi alternative that's competitive in price and has PCI-e support? It's been a dream project of mine for quite some time to pair an ultra low power SoC to a GPU in order to make a crazy overpowered Folding@Home or BOINC cluster.

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[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 57 points 2 years ago

I think pi is on the road to mainstream. Probably time to shift to an open source hardware competitor to boost it. Not saying pi is bad, I have one and its great. Those like me who love tinkering should consider going the extra mile and „radicalize“ themselves to open hardware. The project I hear the most of is Banana-PI. https://www.banana-pi.org

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[-] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If you're thinking about buying, be aware they removed the audio jack.

[-] Muffi@programming.dev 40 points 2 years ago

And still using micro-HDMI for some godforsaken reason

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[-] wax@lemmy.wtf 25 points 2 years ago

They also removed hardware encoding. They've had the same shitty h264 1080p encoder forever, but it was better than nothing.

[-] PlasterAnalyst@kbin.social 42 points 2 years ago

Ok, I can buy a quad core thin client for $30. The prices for these are too high for what they are.

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[-] calzone_gigante@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

I'm just hoping rockchip gets better kernel support. They are way better positioned on the CxB scale.

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[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

$100 for no h265 hardware encoding.

Hard pass.

[-] butt_mountain_69420@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

But you can get a used thinkcentre tiny mini micro on ebay for $80. Wtf would I spend 100+ on a pi?

[-] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Energy efficiency?

[-] ShortN0te@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

Most ppl do not bother to calculate that in(especially idle consumption) or living in an area where it basically does not matter.

But yes, no x86-64 device comes close.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

I was thinking more along the lines of battery powered operations. I can stick a Pi, a car battery, a solar panel into a weather proof box and set it in the woods if I needed to.

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[-] Daxtron2@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago

The power button and RTC are my two favorite additions lol

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[-] rabiddolphin@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Too many other options to be excited about their offerings anymore

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