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[-] neardeaf@lemmy.ml 49 points 1 year ago

I’m a faithful Bitwarden user. No need to switch

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[-] Distributed@lemmy.ml 48 points 1 year ago

I wish that proton would focus on the depth of their present stack, as opposed to breadth.

I've been begging for rclone support for proton drive for a long time now.. without it, I basically have 1tb sitting there useless.

[-] yote_zip@pawb.social 30 points 1 year ago

Same thoughts here. ProtonVPN under Linux is very poorly supported.

[-] jjffnn@feddit.dk 7 points 1 year ago

Just out of curiosity. How is it poorly supported?
I haven't used it much yet, but the times i have it seems to have worked fine.

[-] yote_zip@pawb.social 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

IIRC it's missing a number of features that ProtonVPN Windows has. I last checked into it a year or so ago and the attitude was that it was a very shoddy application missing most features. I found this github issue expressing this sentiment but I don't see much in terms of specifics.

I don't have a paid ProtonVPN but I just downloaded the VPN on a free account and it only has 3 options on it:

  • Secure Core on/off (only select servers in privacy-friendly countries)
  • Netshield (DNS adblocking etc)
  • Killswitch

I use Mullvad so I opened that up alongside and will list out the features it has on its Linux client in comparison:

  • DNS adblocking
  • Killswitch
  • Wireguard
  • Auto-launch on pc start
  • Split tunnel support
  • Local network split tunnel allowance
  • Disable ipv6
  • Custom DNS server
  • Protocol obfuscation (UDP-over-TCP)
  • Multihop servers
  • Quantum-resistant tunnel (for Wireguard initialization)

The main ones for me are split tunneling and Wireguard. Using a VPN that doesn't support these is a non-starter for me, unfortunately. If any of this is different when you have a paid ProtonVPN account let me know - I don't have very much experience with it.

TBH, if protonVPN under linux was any good I would probably have Proton Unlimited. I can't justify paying for Mullvad and Proton Unlimited, so I DIY my own collection of services to match functionality for about the same price.

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[-] Borgzilla@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

It's horrible. I've had to hack together a shell script to switch between countries using a bunch of openvpn config files. The official app broke my Linux Mint network setup.

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[-] Dalinar@lemmy.nz 6 points 1 year ago

This was an acquisition (SimpleLogin) then having the acquired developers work on Proton Pass.

It still took up some resources but it's not like they took all their developers off the other projects.

[-] Leer10@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

I'd like separate address inbox support for my proton mail web client

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[-] Coeus@coeus.sbs 48 points 1 year ago

Tempting. I've been using Bitwarden for awhile now and it's been fantastic. I am not sure I need to switch.

[-] FalseLight@lemmy.one 31 points 1 year ago

Same. I'll continue to use Bitwarden. I think it's good to have other open-source options out there, though. Proton Pass is definitely prettier and will appeal to some people that care more about the aesthetics.

[-] Eeyore_Syndrome@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago

continues to use Bitwarden also.

[-] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

You can save a bit of money considering this is currently $1/mo or "free" with some package plans, but rest assured it is not as good as BitWarden or 1P and likely never will be. It's very MVP and Proton has a habit of promising products and features that don't see the light of day for years on end.

Proton's value to me is the "suite" of products they've developed at a very reasonable price so I don't have to manage and pay 5 different accounts.

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[-] Borgzilla@lemmy.ca 40 points 1 year ago

I'm pretty sure the app is great, but I am not a fan of putting all my eggs in the same basket. I will keep using Bitwarden for the time being.

[-] Jarmer@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

Same here. I'm fine using Proton for my mail & drive, but I also like keeping my passwords separate in bitwarden, and my 2fa separate in my raivo. A healthy separation is good.

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[-] wounn@lemmy.pt 23 points 1 year ago

Proton is starting to loose focus in my opinion. I've been a costumer for 5 years only using email and I moved this year to fastmail and I couldn't be happier. Unlimited emails alias, good apps, ability to use thunderbird without a self hosted bridge.

The promise of a encrypted email does not work if your contacts are not on proton too (for me was 100% of my contacts).

If you are really focused on privacy you would choose nextcloud for cloud for example and keypass or Bitwarden for password managers.

I would like them to focus on email client features and stop this side hustles.

[-] tate@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 year ago

Proton's whole reason to exist is to provide privacy, not email client features.

[-] burndown@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

I hear what you're saying but Nextcloud is definitely not a viable option for reliable backups. Wayyyy too buggy to trust

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[-] feral_hedgehog@pawb.social 23 points 1 year ago

Thought this was about Valve's Wine fork and was very confused 😅

[-] narwhal@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago

Any strong reasons to switch from KeePassXC?

[-] TrojanHam@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago

Probably not.

KeepassXC with Syncthing is the best option I've found.

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[-] MyopicTopic@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Probably none, if you're fine with KeePass. Personally I don't want to use anything that's hosted on someone else's server. It's a bit more inconvenient to use the local files of KeePass only, but I'd rather feel a bit safer with that, even if by all account BitWarden/Proton Pass would be fine.

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[-] JshKlsn@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This company is a love hate relationship.

They make good products, but they promise release dates over and over again, and miss them by 2+ years.

They also fuck people over by releasing apps to only their visionary memberships. Like okay. Guess my $150/month doesn't mean shit because I'm not visionary? Glad to wait 8 months for the beta to trickle down to me..

Still waiting on the ProtonMail Android app to be remade, and ProtonDrive Windows desktop app.

Edit: wait, I need a business plan to use this? What?

Ya, I'll stick to my $1.30 CAD per month for BitWarden over the $6 for this.

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[-] aksdb@feddit.de 16 points 1 year ago

Unless I just miss it: it's not self-hostable, right? So it's open source but currently requires their infrastructure to be usable?

[-] FalseLight@lemmy.one 11 points 1 year ago

Correct. It's not self-hostable.

[-] tombuben@lemmy.fmhy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Open source client only.

[-] HorseFD@lemmy.buzz 15 points 1 year ago

Has anyone tried it yet? Two downsides for me:

  • there's no desktop app
  • there's no Safari desktop extension (I know most people don't care about this)

It's also more expensive than Bitwarden even at €1/mth

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[-] palebluedot@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 year ago

I advice anyone against switching for now, especially if you're using KeePass or Bitwarden. Proton Pass has just been released, meaning it is not audited and it's immature. I would not trust it with my passwords just yet.

[-] ChiefGhost295@lemmy.one 30 points 1 year ago
[-] Marcy_Stella@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago

Its also been in an invite beta for a few months so they would have had time to sort out major bugs and security flaws

[-] Dalinar@lemmy.nz 11 points 1 year ago

Goodbye LastPass (I'm aware I should have migrated already but I was holding out for this)

[-] PeachMan@lemmy.one 20 points 1 year ago

Oh my god you're still on Lastpass? RUN!

[-] Dalinar@lemmy.nz 9 points 1 year ago

Not as of last night!

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[-] SoulKeeper@mastodon.social 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

@protonmail Proton claims to be a privacy oriented company and yet their email app doesn't show push notifications without Google Play Services means you will either have to use Google Play Services or live without push notifications (if you are using a degoogled phone). If Tutanota app could show push notifications without Google Play Services, it is definitely possible. What a joke!!

[-] protonmail@mastodon.social 7 points 1 year ago

@SoulKeeper While we rely on Google Play Store services for push notifications, they are end-to-end encrypted. To stay private when using Proton Mail on an Android phone, we recommend trying some of these tips: https://proton.me/blog/android-privacy .

We are also working on a complete rewrite of our Android app, which will allow for the improved functionalities and features to be added.

[-] dwindling7373@feddit.it 5 points 1 year ago

Wait what I have no google services and I get all the notifications. I do have microG of course...

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[-] RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I was in the beta of it, didn't use it though as i am on 1password.

For me it's important that i have a desktop application. I don't want to open my fcking webbrowser anytime i need a password or want to edit some credentials.

And they simply don't have one. I gave it as feedback and they say it's on their roadmap. I said they should take 1passwords desktop as inspiration as it works so fcking good; I really love that floating quick search that you can summon with a keycombo.

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[-] hellfire103@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago

Awesome! How does it compare to BitWarden?

[-] FalseLight@lemmy.one 10 points 1 year ago

It doesn't have feature parity (yet?). If you're happy with Bitwarden, I'd stick with it.

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[-] imrichyouknow@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago
[-] pfr@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago

It's advertised as open source

[-] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Great that it has an email alias feature built in. But I use 1Password and to me it's been so great that it'd be really hard to convince me switching to something else.

[-] yote_zip@pawb.social 9 points 1 year ago

For the record, Bitwarden also has email aliasing built-in when generating a username:

Email forwarding username generation

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[-] MarioBarisa@vlemmy.net 6 points 1 year ago

I tried it and its pretty cool and polished, but Bitwarden is WAY better in every poseible way.

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