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I mean there's Reddit ofc, as well as Twitter in its entirety, Discord is implementing some dumb updates, there are issues with Tumblr as well as everything to do with Meta, and I'm sure there are plenty more (and I haven't even touched other digital media, for example the Sims). Why is it all happening in the span of about a couple months?

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[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This is just what living in late stage capitalism looks like.

[-] toomanyjoints69@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago

It's so weird that stuff is being intentionally designed to be worse.

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[-] InfiniteVariables@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Higher interest rates, less vc money, have to actually start being profitable

[-] hydra@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

VC money drying up means enshittification machine slamming the gas

[-] InfiniteVariables@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

No doubt. Instead of slowly making it shittier bit by bit so that we didn't noticed, they had to go mask off an remind us that we are the product.

Everyone’s a genius in a bull market with a near zero interest rate.

[-] MetricExpansion@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Honestly I think it’s this. All these tech companies finally being pressed to show ROI now that the risk-free rate of return is much higher.

[-] AskThinkingTim@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I feel as though the user base is a large part of the problem. I might be wrong but the accessibility of social media that have apps is a lot easier for the younger population who these days are flooding social media. I don't think a lot of people use forums or currently Testflight apps such as Memmy (for Lemmy). The iPhone is the phone for influencers and if Lemmy officially releases an iPhone app the same problems may happen.

[-] defulmere@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[-] Noedel@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think also we've become so dependent that they can just do whatever the fuck they want.

I've lived in a bunch of countries and FB messenger is the only way for me to keep in touch. FB can do whatever they want to me because I'm never going to persuade a bunch of people to all move to signal or something.

Reddit has communities that simply don't exist on any other platform.

They have the critical mass.

[-] wildeaboutoskar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I was going to say that I wish there was a decentralised way of sending messages... And then I remembered text messaging is a thing.

Incredible how quickly these things become embedded in everyday life

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[-] aeternum@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

What are the dumb updates discord is doing? I haven't noticed anything different, except for the username change that doesn't have a gamertag anymore.

[-] VoidCrow@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

There is also that weird hidden alternate layout that is an ungodly eyesore (I think it can be accessed either in the settings or if you double click the sparkle emoji for some reason?) Admittedly I'm not as familiar with Discord's issues, mainly heard others talking about it

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[-] boonhet@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Reddit, Twitter, etc, have been running at a loss for ages, burning through vulture capitalist money to build up a solid userbase. Now they need to start turning a reliable profit, which means enshittification of the user experience to make more money per user.

[-] mPony@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I don't understand why Reddit doesn't just buy up one of the 3rd-party apps that have the tech that people say is so badly needed. If the 3rd party apps actually make money then just buy one of them and make money with it.

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[-] FloatingBye@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

Capital only looks out for itself. Online communities are a product to be exploited in the eyes of investors. The purse strings are getting tighter with rising interest rates, and investments that relied on potential are suddenly less exciting when the price to service goes up. Profit is king at the end of the day. It sucks, but that's capitalism.

[-] TempleSquare@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

But the good news is, tech is a highly disruptable industry. Barrier to entry is accessible for regular people.

And that's why we're here.

Reddit doesn't die because we left. They die in a few years when the Fediverse just works better than Reddit. And we fund that.

Speaking of, how do I kick in a few bucks to help out various Lemmy servers? Anyone know?

[-] RedditExodus@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

I was able to donate to Ernest who runs kbin. I can't find the link at the moment but it is floating around here somewhere.

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[-] discodoubloon@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

ChatGPT and Stable Diffusion are the reasons. I’m starting to see commercials that are using highest tier video tech. Just keep pushing.

That’s one community that’s worth supporting.

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[-] lpslucasps@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Because capitalism, that's why.

[-] StagYeti@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I don't think there was ever any illusion that reddit or Twitter were operating as charitable organizations, or even as non-profits.

[-] arandomthought@vlemmy.net 0 points 1 year ago

Sure, and nobody would blame them if they simply tried to create a sustainable business with positive cashflow. The type of capitalism that is referenced here is the one where you squeeze every last penny out of the platform and would even sell your users trust, which your long term profit relies upon, if it means higher numbers in your quarterly report.

[-] StagYeti@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

It's probably just a relic of tech entrepreneurs being programmers rather than businesspeople, but there certainly is a real aversion to just boring, reliable profitably over time.

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[-] warboyziri@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago
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[-] malloc@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

There is the “enshittification theory” — https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys

Article specifically mentions TikTok but is relevant for Reddit.

Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die.

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[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Greed. It's all driven by greed. It's not just social media companies either. My best guess to why it's happening now.. The boomers are aging out and want to take every last bit they can squeeze out before they retire/die.

[-] DulyNoted@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I wish it was just the boomers. We have a whole new generation of greedy corporate bootlicks on their way up.

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[-] punkideas@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago
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[-] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Over-centralisation.

This kind of slow degredation of services is quite normal, however, this time around the wider use of these degrading platforms is hitting harder. Even 5 years ago, most communities had an IRC rather than a discord, and most ran a forum, or a community forum, with other info being on a wiki.

These days a lot of content that used to sit on a forum now sits on twitter, or on reddit. Discord is the new IRC, and so on. These separate services were a lot less convenient, but more resilient.

Odds are, we might see similar smaller communities pop up again as things get worse in the larger ones. Folks are pinched for cash at the moment, and so free services like neocities might see a boom as fandoms abandon larger sites (again).

[-] rememberence@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

I honestly feel like - and this is just my thought, no data to back it up - all the major companies or sites felt like they were the only ones around, there was nothing to replace them, so they could make whatever decisions they wanted to make.

Like when we all left Digg for Reddit - Reddit was already a thing so it was a relatively "painless" switch. With this one it's like... Musk took over twitter and I sort of heard about the fediverse but I'm personally waiting for Hive to get a desktop - but once Reddit started doing it's thing it was like "yeah I really need to move now" and kbin had a much better landing page than any of the other fediverse things I'd stumbled upon which really helped with the onboarding... And it's been nice watching it grow.

But yeah previous to this it was like...there was nothing else available so why did they have to care about what they did if we were "stuck" there with the decisions they were making anyway.

lol...and yet here I am on kbin so - yeah looks like that plan (assuming it's at all correct) didn't pan out entirely like they were hoping.

[-] azura@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Careful with Hive. It is perfectly positioned to suffer the exact same fate as Twitter if it is allowed to grow. Then we have learned nothing and it all just repeats. Never mind that the app is absolutely atrocious both from a data security standpoint and an accessibility standpoint.

[-] wrath-sedan@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

As a phenomenon you'll see a lot of people call it "enshittification." The term seems to originate with Cory Doctorow who writes, "Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die."

The whole article on his blog is worth a read here: https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys. His Mastodon handle is @pluralistic if you'd like to follow his work there (woohoo federation!).

[-] Xeelee@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

The main sticking point is profitability. Not many platforms have managed to create a business model that's sustainably profitable. Reddit certainly hasn't. Now they're basically looking for a way to cash out so they're prioritising short term profitability over everything.

[-] TempleSquare@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Honestly if reddit had come, cap in hand, and says "Hey what can we do to be awesome so you'll buy premium"

And then listened to our advice? I'd have bought premium to help em out.

Instead, they are acting genuinely insane. Like back when my brother was on cocaine and Adderall and would try to hit me up for money.

Reddit can die.

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