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[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 31 points 9 months ago

Haven't won any conflicts lately, that's for sure.

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 9 months ago

Define winning, please. Because it seems they've been fairly successful at protecting the interests of the capital. Which is, you know, the main function of military in dictatorship of bourgeois

[-] werty@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago

Where are those success you mentionned ? Ukraine proxi war? The global war ~~on~~ of terror ? The vietnam war ? Reality say otherwise.

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 9 months ago

Let's see. Guatemala. Panama. Libya (ruined one of the most prosperous nations in Africa, terminated plans for pan-arabic currency). I'm sure I'm forgetting many more.

Arguably Ukraine as well. It tanked EU, spiked sales for Yankee weapons, ruined Ukraine and demonised Russia in the eyes of many - most importantly in the eyes of Ukrainians and Russian citizens. You sure about that "reality" bit?

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 28 points 9 months ago

They're gonna try to press the fascism button harder. Who's gonna take bets that the button doesn't even really work because industrial capacity has been debilitated?

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 9 months ago

I think Ukraine's proven this conclusively at this point. We really might be entering an unprecedented time for fascism. Western countries were far more self sufficient back at the start of the 20th century than they are now. The industrial capacity isn't something that you can just magically create overnight the way you print money. It's a decades long process because you need trained workers, which means having a school system that prepares people for trade jobs, you have to build factories, you have to reorganize supply chains, and so on. There aren't any simple solutions here.

[-] SadArtemis@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 9 months ago

The industrial capacity isn’t something that you can just magically create overnight the way you print money. It’s a decades long process because you need trained workers, which means having a school system that prepares people for trade jobs, you have to build factories, you have to reorganize supply chains, and so on. There aren’t any simple solutions here.

Better yet also, not only is the industrial capacity something they can't magically recreate overnight- but their specific systems of dollar imperialism, hyper-financialization, and neoliberalism are very effective in further hindering the process, as well. Never mind getting to the point of training the workers, even before that they need genuine systemic reforms and to wean off the present forms of capital- even if it's just to try to return to the systems of industrial capitalism and imperialism they once had- their efforts will all be largely moot.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 9 months ago
[-] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 9 months ago

We really might be entering an unprecedented time for fascism.

Trying to create socialism in the imperial core in 2024 really is uncharted territory. We're far, far away from the conditions of any successful socialist project, and not even particularly close to the best attempts (so far) at socialism in the belly of the beast.

We can learn plenty from prior movements, but we get too dogmatic about them at times. Interwar German politics aren't just continually playing out everywhere, forever.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 9 months ago

For sure, we really have to take the time to understand the moment we're living through its contradictions. Only then can we start applying lessons from the past in a meaningful way.

[-] kig_v2@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 9 months ago

I think this is why I personally have always been interested in dangerous, unconventional, previously unsuccessful, or morally repugnant solutions--a la accelerationism, red-brown alliance, infiltration, cults, j*had, sporadic anarchist-like violence, and the like.

Things are truly unprecedented in this country, the US. The spirit of socialism is unquashable and I see it in the misguided fervor of people here of all political affiliations; being socialist is human and the human quality cannot truly be extinguished even in such a highly developed anti-social society. But it is so difficult to imagine a straightforward road to things getting better. I imagine things splitting to pieces, and different sectors of society all moving sideways to equally heinous but different modes of being, and having to properly "try" and fail at all of them to prove their delusional ideas of how to make this society better are crapshoots. I imagine "Handmaid's Tale" Luddite Christofascist Mujahideen puritanism, I imagine anarchist hedonists, New Age narcissist communes, cryptobro transhumanist Silicon Valley "imperial Chinese harem" freak experiments, I imagine ethnostates of every race present being tried, I imagine the horrors people will concot with A.I., I imagine mass suicide and senseless Mad Max larping.

On the flipside, I also imagine a lot of people waking up quicker than the pessimist in me imagines, people learning quickly how to communicate, cooperate, and survive in whatever communities they are trapped in, those who don't try to larp sickly fantasies and who don't try to or can't flee--it will be interesting to see how the world will react to a wave of American refugees now that they aren't forced by gunpoint or persuaded by propaganda to love and praise them.

I think the apocalypse here is going to be very colorful and multifaceted.

[-] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 9 months ago

All that matters is they their police is outfitted enough to kill any dissenters when we all start to starve.

[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 22 points 9 months ago

I don't really give a shit about our military unless we need to defend ourselves. That’s something we've pretty much never done.

That being said, I will start shitting diamonds before I give one iota of a fuck what the Heritage Foundation thinks.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 9 months ago

Yeah, this is just their usual BS about increasing military funding they always do. Slightly more true than usual, but their solution will never be "less warmongering" only ever "more money thrown at the military."

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Dear Mr army man, please draft me I have goooood mental health I can fully be trusted with an M2 Browning or a truck full of tomahawk missiles. I will not park it wrong.

[-] ComradePupIvy@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 9 months ago

I too can be trusted with it... you just have to decide who it is that can trust me

[-] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 9 months ago

They will have to draft but I feel the people being drafted are more willing than ever to fuck things up intentionally.

[-] supersolid_snake@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 9 months ago

Yep, I may be naive but most people don't like direct participation in oppression (zios are different) even if they are ok with the oppression not directly in their face.

[-] kig_v2@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 9 months ago

That is being generous, I would moreso just say the average American is raised by our system to be debilitatingly cowardly and weak of mind and body.

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I would hope my comrades who have physical, mental, or bravery issues know I don't mean to deride them, I myself have plenty of these issues that I have the privilege of having leftover energy and nets to fight the uphill battle against them, it just simply is how we (IMO, both intentionally and unintentionally) were socially engineered.

Perhaps I am also just being jaded right now.

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago
[-] IsThisLoss@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago
[-] pearable@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I'm skeptical of this narrative. More or less constantly this comes out as an excuse to increase military spending. Citation Needed's episode 117 "always lagging us war machine" goes into detail. The fact that the heritage foundation is peddling this particular instance is solid evidence.

[-] somename@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago

Well, most of the time that’s true. It’s a call for the government to spend another 100 billion dollars on 5000 dollar trash cans and like, 3 planes.

But there really is a gaping weakness right now, in a more mundane way, one they don’t like to advertise much. The US has burned through a massive amount of their munitions stockpile, and the suppliers they use to replenish it are honestly terrible at making things lol. US productive capacity for the actual fundamental tools of war have been hollowed out by capitalistic grifting.

[-] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 9 months ago

try telling them that, they seem completely set on throwing themselves into the next forever war

[-] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago

This is because the military under Biden has gone woke and that's made them weak! frothingfash

[-] Neato@ttrpg.network 2 points 9 months ago

For the second consecutive year, a study by DC-based think tank The Heritage Foundation has ranked the US military as “weak” and determined that “lack of action” could render the Pentagon unable to “defend vital US interests” across the globe.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 9 months ago

And we're now literally seeing this happening in Ukraine and across the Middle East.

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