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Greta Thunberg: Case thrown because of 'no evidence' (www.bbc.com)
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[-] solrize@lemmy.world 139 points 10 months ago

TFA: Greta Thunberg and four co-defendants have been found not guilty of breaking the law when they refused to follow police instructions to move on during a climate protest.

District Judge John Laws threw out a public order charge due to "no evidence" and added police attempted to impose "unlawful" conditions during a protest.

[-] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 55 points 10 months ago

Oh so they're like to charge the cops for trying to impose unlawful conditions right? right?

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I hate the cops as much as everyone but thats not what the ruling says at all.

The case was thrown out not because the cope were doing anything illegal, but because their instructions to the protestors were so unclear they couldn't be considered a lawful order.

As well as the fact that the incompetent cops didn't take statements from anyone so there's no evidence to prove they violated section 14.

Honestly part of me suspects the cops might have did it on purpose because they were ordered to stop it but didn't really want to. But that's probably giving them too much credit honestly, incompetence is the most likely answer.

[-] Primarily0617@kbin.social 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

oopsy woopsy we made a little fucky boingo that dragged you through the criminal justice system through no fault of your own and at no cost to us, all because of an unknown mix of malice and incompetence

oh well 🤷

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Well there is a law that they were in theory breaking.

A shitty authoritarian law, but still a law.

And the whole point of the criminal justice system is to interpret cases like these and interpret the law and decide if someone is culpable. This is what happens when you have a properly separated system where cops are not judge joury and executioner, so while cops need to have some understanding of the law, its not their job to make those finer interpretations when cases could or could not be illegal. It might seem dumb in this case, but if cops have that power it would allow them to selectively enforce the law and you would have them saying "oh I didn't arrest the rapist because of this [nonexistent] technicality that makes it not a crime"

[-] Primarily0617@kbin.social 0 points 10 months ago

your argument is that the police need to be allowed to act with as much malice or incompetence as they like because if there was more oversight in the system they could choose to not arrest rapists?

you're saying that more oversight would lead to the police having more freedom to enforce the law as they see fit?

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

No. And I would rather you didn't purposefully misinterpret what am saying for the sake of trying to "win" a pointless internet argument like a redditor would.

[-] Primarily0617@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

you're the one attempting to reframe "there should be more oversight on the police's actions" as "the police should be granted more power to interpret the law as they see fit"

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Nah

[-] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 10 months ago

the cops might have did it on purpose because they were ordered to stop it

Yep.

The UK gvmt have been increasingly cracking down on the right to protest. For example, during the proclamation of Charles coronation (royal officers go to towns and read an official proclamation out loud) a man who said (direct quote) "Not in my name" was arrested on a public order offence and dragged through the system until the CPS said they weren't going to take it any further.

At every turn the current Tory gvmt have urged the Police to be heavy handed with public order 'offences' and sort it out later.

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 5 points 10 months ago

Plausible deniability would certainly be a fun one. But as much as I am pro climate action, cops should generally be neutral. Otherwise it would be very hypocritical if cops acted on different kind of views that I don't agree with. Either way, the system kinda worked as intended here. That's a good thing.

[-] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago

... cops should generally be neutral.

Canada's RCMP are still acting like attack dogs for whichever government speaks (civic, municipal, provincial or federal).

[-] yournamehere@lemm.ee 16 points 10 months ago

acab

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[-] echodot@feddit.uk 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I do love how the government and the police are trying to impose a police state, while at the same time having giant arguments with each other and criticizing each other even though they both want the same thing, while at the same time the courts are not having any of it from either group.

I suppose it's a good thing that these fascist idiots can't organize themselves, but I really wish they weren't in positions of authority to begin with.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 10 months ago

This just in: cops worldwide are lying scumfucks and enemies of the people and human progress.

[-] Malbepue@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Errico Malatesta's "For The Higher Police Authorities" provides a very good summary of the state of the police:

That the Police are indiscreet, vexatious, evil and, when it happens, even brutal, is something that we understand: it is the profession that wants it. They have always been and will always be like that, in any regime: and therefore we must fight for their radical abolition and not for their reform. But do they really need to be also, and above all, stupid? It would seem so.

The Tuscans usually say: he who is born a fool is never cured [chi nasce bischero non guarisce più].

Once Depretis, attacked by Deputy Tajani, because there were a number of criminals in the police force, replied: "But who do you want me to put in, if the honest men don't want to do that job?" If someone reproached Giolitti, who is a rascal but not an idiot, the ineptitude of his agents, he might reply: "But what can I do if intelligent men don’t want to be policemen?"

[-] metaStatic@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

class traitors have no moral compass? Say it isn't so.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Probably just incompetent more that anything

[-] Lord_ToRA@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago

I had no idea what charge this was referring to. Here's the important bit from the article:

Greta Thunberg and four co-defendants have been found not guilty of breaking the law when they refused to follow police instructions to move on during a climate protest.

[-] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

District Judge John Laws...

Another case of nominative determinism at work?

[-] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

john was born for this job.

[-] taanegl@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Reject modernity, return to caste system.

[-] Evia@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I know a Simon Banks who works in a bank. Go figure

[-] smeg@feddit.uk 1 points 7 months ago

Excellent, another one for !nominativedeterminism@feddit.uk

[-] bedrooms@kbin.social 29 points 10 months ago

That's a legal way to say

Greta Thunberg: Case thrown because of 'bull shit argument made up by a stupid policeman'

[-] harmsy@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

The 21-year-old campaigner

It seems like she was just twelve or something yesterday. Damn, time slips by.

[-] badbytes@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Good work Greta!

[-] crimsonpoodle@pawb.social 7 points 10 months ago

I mean there were few options for a guy named “John Law” other to become a judge right?

[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

Hah, get fucked polluters.

[-] Skates@feddit.nl 4 points 10 months ago

Public execution for any cunt cops overstepping the law.

[-] metaStatic@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

Keep making them roll that dice

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