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Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs (www.theguardian.com)

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[-] Gigan@lemmy.world 175 points 9 months ago

Awesome, fuck SUV's

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[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 101 points 9 months ago

"But that will make it cost prohibitive to own an SUV!!!"

Yes... Yes it will.

[-] Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

You call it a bug.

I call it a feature.

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[-] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 62 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This whole vehicular size arms race needs to go away please.

It's so retarded that people think they need to get bigger cars to "protect" themselves in accidents. Just feedback looping stupidity.

[-] merdaverse@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

The next "logical" step after SUVs is driving APCs in the name of safety.

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[-] Kekzkrieger@feddit.de 44 points 9 months ago

While this is great, someone who doesnt mind paying a 100k for a car wont mind the extra fees.

What would really change the game is changing existing parking spaces to fixed size parking spaces and if your over that you get towed.

That would mean they have to park their car somewhere more remote which would incentisize not buying huge cars to begin with

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I can't speak for Parisians, but here in the us my experience is that it's the people who drove the big cars who bitch the most about the price of gas.

So the added cost would definitely be a disincentive.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

There's a ridiculous thing in the US that Europeans probably don't know about called "rolling coal," where people in big pickup trucks that they never use for hauling anything because it would scrape the bed modify their truck to belch out a huge cloud of black smoke on demand.

I have a Prius. They love doing it to me, because of course a hybrid that still uses gas must mean that I'm one-a them commie tree-hugging hippies. They probably pay as much in gas to do it once as it would take to get my car to go 5-10 miles. And they're the ones putting Biden 'I did that' stickers next to gas pumps when gas prices go up.

Hey rednecks, you know what you have to do to not worry much about gas prices? Buy a fuel-efficient car.

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[-] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 16 points 9 months ago

It's a gentle nudge.
If you're picking a car, and didn't think about it very much, something like paying more for parking might well nudge you to a smaller car.
And it means when those 100k cars go on the second hand market for 20k a few years later, the people paying that much will not be happy with the fees.

On a slight tangent, range rovers are being targeted by criminals. To the point where RR ups the security, and it's worked around in a month or so.
This has lead to insurance premiums going way up. And while there are a few people just choking down the payments, others are switching away from RR, or from SUVs entirely.
It doesn't put every customer off, but it certainly affects a chunk.

[-] FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works 11 points 9 months ago

Not saying this is what you're saying, but the average french SUV doesn't cost 100k. In-laws bought one almost new for 15k. They're not poor, but definitely not rich, and would think twice about buying one next time if it means they pay more for parking.

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[-] MonsterMonster@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago

54.6% voted for the increase.... turnout was 5.7%. So just over 3% of the eligible Parisian population voted for this.

Source

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

The turnout for those things is always extremely low.

[-] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 17 points 9 months ago

LOL at all the SUV drivers that didn't go to vote

[-] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

They were trying to find parking during the vote and missed it.

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[-] wheeldawg@sh.itjust.works 32 points 9 months ago

Suck it, SUV owners in Paris.

But really, suck it every SUV owner. They're terrible in every single way and no one can change that.

[-] Malfeasant@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

As an SUV owner, I agree. It tries to do too many things, so it's not good at any of them. When we had kids, I wanted a minivan. They're ugly, they don't get good gas mileage, their handling is like a pregnant yak- but if you need to haul around kids and their stuff, there's nothing better. My wife at least considered it, but we ended up with a hybrid SUV. I don't completely hate it, but I still would rather have gotten a minivan.

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[-] DigitalFrank@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

Easiest vote in the world is to vote to raise someone else's taxes. We should do that for billionaires.

[-] anarchy79@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Not just "someone" else's. SUV owners'. Specifically. For a good reason.

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[-] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 9 months ago

Wait, they banned electric scooter rentals?

Is the main argument that they're unsightly?

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 63 points 9 months ago

So, I'm pretty sure they're talking about the rental-scooters, not all scooters, which, peopel who tend to buy their own don't do these things... but....people get hurt on them, they increase accidents. People do stupid shit, like riding on sidewalks and trying to zip through pedestrians.

they get locked up all over the place, blocking sidewalks, entryways, bikeracks, etc.

in short the rental things are a massive nuisance,

[-] exocortex@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 9 months ago

I'd like to add that Paris is one of the tightest cities there is in Europe. there's just so little space already. with thousands of badly parked scooters cluttering up sidewalks people got fed up very quickly. the vote was pretty one sided IIRC.

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[-] Buffaloaf@lemmy.world 43 points 9 months ago

They said they're dangerous and cause stress for pedestrians

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

Stand up scooters should use the bike lanes.

[-] n2burns@lemmy.ca 38 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

AFAIK, the main issue wasn't where they're used but where they're stored. While scooters riding on sidewalks is an issue, the bigger issue is them cluttering the sidewalk and becoming an impedance to pedestrians, especially those with disabilities.

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[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 12 points 9 months ago

This thread was weird to read as an owner of a CR-V. I checked and it's just under the weight limit for the new law, and it fits easily in "compact" parking spaces, but I think of it as an SUV because that's what it looks like.

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[-] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 11 points 9 months ago

This limit needs to be instituted at a country level.

For example now that the Volkswagen up/Skoda citigo/seat Mii has been put out of production, there isn't a single car made by all the brands of the Volkswagen group that's shorter than 4 meters.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 10 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

In a referendum on Sunday, which was closely watched by other capital cities, including London, 54.6% voted in favour of special parking fees for SUVs, according to provisional results.

“Parisians have made a clear choice … other cities will follow,” said Paris’s Socialist mayor, Anne Hidalgo, adding that road safety and air pollution were key reasons for the vote.

She said the aim was to deliberately target the richest drivers of expensive, heavy and polluting cars who had not yet made changes to their behaviour to address the climate crisis.

Emmanuel Grégoire, Paris’s deputy mayor, posted on X as voting began: “Heavier, more dangerous, more polluting … SUVs are an environmental disaster.”

Under Hidalgo, Paris has for years raised pressure on drivers by increasing parking costs and gradually banning diesel vehicles, while expanding the bicycle lane network in the congested capital.

The motorists’ lobby group 40 Millions d’Automobilistes had argued that drivers should be free to choose whatever vehicle they want, warning that the move to raise parking tariffs was unjustified and the work of “an ultra-urban and anti-car minority”.

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