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Insert <it's not much but it's honest work> meme. It only supports ints and bools, some logic and simple arithmetics and it compiles to Java but damn was it hard to get that far.

Can you guess what everything does?

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[-] bleistift2@feddit.de 104 points 9 months ago

It only supports ints and bools, some logic and simple arithmetics and it compiles to Java but damn was it hard to get that far.

I have a bachelor’s in computer science and I don’t think I would be able to do that…

[-] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 60 points 9 months ago

Compiler courses are typically master level.

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago

My college must have been full of sadists. They had undergrad compiler courses and required students to take them.

[-] Adramis@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Same, it usually whacked about half the attempted majors into another major. In the first half of senior year. They kept wondering why their program wasn't growing much even though similar colleges' programs were growing like mold on a dorm shower curtain. I enjoyed the course and never used the primary skills taught in it again.

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[-] seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Im having a mandatory compiler course on my 3rd year of (french) bachelor

[-] WanakaTree@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago

I definitely read this as you were a third year French major being forced to taking a compiler course for a moment and went wtf. Then my brain slapped itself and realized you mean you're a student in France.

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[-] dan@upvote.au 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I had an entry-level compiler course during undergrad. We used JavaCC to generate a lexer and parser based on eBNF grammar.

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[-] swordsmanluke@programming.dev 37 points 9 months ago

Compilers are a specialized topic - and syntax design is fiddly - but it really is no harder than any other sort of program. A lot of the hard theoretical work was done back in the sixties and seventies. You don't have to start from scratch. These days it's "only" a matter of implementing the features you want and making sure your syntax doesn't leave itself open to multiple interpretations. (just as arithmetic, e.g. '5 × 4 - 1' requires some rules to make sure there's only one correct interpretation, so do language syntaxes need to be unambiguous to parse. )

Don't get me wrong - writing a language is a lot of work and it's super cool that OP has done this! I just want to stress that language development is 100% doable with an undergrad degree. If you understand recursion and how to parse a string you already have all the theory you need to get started.

[-] prof@infosec.pub 8 points 9 months ago

Valuable input! I actually am an undergrad student. There are a lot of frameworks out there that support writing languages, with MPS being one of them.

If I'd start from scratch again and had a little more time, I'd frankly try writing an interpreter myself, instead of trying to conform to weird framework syntax, which I won't be able to reuse in any other context.

Saying syntax design is fiddly is an understatement. I focused very hard on getting an abstract syntax somehow finished before working on generation in my first iteration. Then I had so much technical debt, that I couldn't get anything to work and had to rewrite a lot. So I scrapped it all and started again, starting with top level concepts including generation and only implementing some lower level ones, once everything around it worked properly.

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[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

Make a meme with no GitHub repo? Don’t sell yourself short.

[-] sik0fewl@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago

If you'd like to learn how, I recommend the book (which is also available online) Crafting Interpreters.

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[-] bleistift2@feddit.de 66 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)
class Scratch {
  // Start of file

  public static void main(args: string[]) {
    int number1 = 2;
    number 1 = 10;
    int number2 = 13;
    boolean fo_sure = true;
  
    if (fo_sure) {
      number1 = number1 + 5 - 10 * 2 / 3;
    }
  
    System.out.println(number1);
  
    boolean canYouSeeMee = false;
    System.out.println(canYouSeeMe);
    if (false) {
      canYouSeeMe = false;
    } else {
      canYouSeeMe = true;
    }
    System.out.println(canYouSeeMe);
  } 
}

What’d I win?

I find it interesting and unnerving that I understood the code, but not the youthspeak.

[-] prof@infosec.pub 33 points 9 months ago

Well done, here's your price: 🏅

You may redeem it for a star on a GitHub repo of your choice.

It all gets put into the main method though in this version 😄

[-] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

canYouSeeMe = !canYouSeeMe;

[-] bleistift2@feddit.de 5 points 9 months ago

There are even more optimization possibilities, but I wanted to stay as close to the original as possible.

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[-] neatchee@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Vibe check is your scope declaration (class?)

num is obviously your int class

fr? is your Boolean class

if __ no cap is ' if __ then', if cap is 'else', sheesh ends the conditional

flex __ on the haters is your echo/print

frfr is your scope ending

[-] prof@infosec.pub 12 points 9 months ago

Correct!

Vibe check is pretty much the scope. Classes aren't a thing (yet).

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 20 points 9 months ago

It's so beautiful!

Now I'm thinking about how to alias "flex X on the haters" into other development environments...

[-] brunofin@lemm.ee 17 points 9 months ago

Is flex X on the haters a way of logging to console?

[-] prof@infosec.pub 11 points 9 months ago

Yes, it pretty much just wraps the expression in a "System.out.println();"

[-] Aatube@kbin.social 23 points 9 months ago

Maybe "flex X" outputs to stdout and "flex X on the haters" outputs to stderr?

[-] prof@infosec.pub 9 points 9 months ago

I like the way you think! 😂

[-] mwguy@infosec.pub 8 points 9 months ago

flex X on the fools does verbose logs only.

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[-] Z4rK@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

It’s really cool, but the example doesn’t produce any sensible output? If you have created something like this, why wouldn’t you have your demo output something sensible like Fibonacci or 1337 or whatever.

[-] prof@infosec.pub 6 points 9 months ago

Great idea if I have to extend it

[-] neatchee@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I'm opening an issue on your ticket tracker to add filesystem i/o. Let the nightmare commence

[-] blotz@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

Oh metaprogramming! I'm doing a dissertation on this.

[-] prof@infosec.pub 4 points 9 months ago

Very cool, I'd be interested in your publications once you're done. I like metaprogramming, but once you realise you might have needed it, you're already knee deep in fresh legacy code.

[-] blotz@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

You essential have a compiler written through metaprogramming. For your implementation, did you use a find and replace or did you define and parse a grammar like a true compiler.

[-] prof@infosec.pub 4 points 9 months ago

MPS uses projectional editing. Which means for the user that everything you do is free from concrete syntax, and you basically edit a graphical representation of that abstract syntax tree directly, while it looks like you're in a textual editor.

So I define abstract nodes that may have certain relationships with each other and then give them a representation in the editor (which is what you see in the screenshot). These nodes may also have generators assigned to them, which use map/reduce operations to generate whatever source code I desire. It usually includes its own bit of code, and triggers code generation of its children as well.

I hope that was somehow clear 😄

[-] porgamrer@programming.dev 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I swear, Zoomers are like the steve buscemi "fellow kids" meme, but somehow everyone in the scene is young

Anyway, nice compiler. Might feel basic to you, but writing a back end for a low level IR format is not that much harder.

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Why aren’t the booleans like “facts” or “no cap” for true and cap for “false”?

Also, you could have exceptions be called “Sus”

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[-] bleistift2@feddit.de 10 points 9 months ago

It only supports ints and bools, some logic and simple arithmetics

That’s more than you need.

[-] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Looks like you've got a bug in there.

if false no cap
    canYouSeeMe = false
if cap
    canYouSeeMe = true
sheesh

Won't this always go into the else/cap condition since the if condition is checking to see that false == true?

[-] prof@infosec.pub 7 points 9 months ago

You're correct, but it doesn't really matter for demo purposes. In an actual use case (whatever that would be for this language) you would of course want to use some kind of variable or expression there instead of a constant.

[-] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 9 points 9 months ago

No cap is cracking me up. This is great stuff

[-] onion@feddit.de 9 points 9 months ago
[-] RustyNova@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago
[-] prof@infosec.pub 9 points 9 months ago

It's a tool for designing domain specific languages. Really interesting!

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Does it compile into JVM bytecode or Java source code?

JVM bytecode is one of the most infuriating IRs I ever had the displeasure to work with, and if you managed to make a compiler for that, I applaud you.

[-] prof@infosec.pub 7 points 9 months ago

Fortunately I generate Java source code from it. However MPS generates both source and byte code when you build the solution. For some reason I can't get the byte code to run though, but the source code does, so I don't care too much.

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

That sounds about right for JVM bytecode... In any case, great work!

[-] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago

That's cool but also makes me cringe.

[-] tronx4002@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Impressive, no cap!

[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 6 points 9 months ago
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