Dang. That blows. This is a really good show. Smart, innovative, well acted, and based on Gibson's best-selling material. It just kills me how adaptations of his works seem to always whither on the vine. Also sad that every show that doesn't hit super-mega streamed numbers just gets tossed in the bin.
Yeah it was one of the better things they had going. Would easily pull the lotr or wot series as they were not very in line with the literature. At least this was its own creation (or im just unaware of what book series it comes from so was not disapointed.)
Yeah, it's from two published books so far, called the "Jackpot" series. The Jackpot is a Black Swan Event that decimates the population in the future and creates a new kind of techno-oligarchical society. These future oligarchs are in constant conflict with each other and as such develop a way in which to infiltrate the past through VR sims to alter their destiny.
I got a little lost following the plot with this one to be honest. There are some shows I whip out my phone because I don’t anticipate it being that complicated, and I made a miscalculation with this one.
Yeah, I think it's a bit easier to digest if you have some background with Gibson's world building. It didn't seem like it was too opaque to me, but I'm coming in with a bit of previous context. I think you'd find that Gibson's writing is a lot more opaque when you start one of his books. He writes notoriously short chapters at times and tosses from one POV to another rather often. It can be disorienting but it is intentional. Like when you watch a thriller that seems inchoate going in, flooding you with disparate unresolved information, then when it's snaps together, you get the satisfaction of mentally revisiting all those previous clues/details with that "ah ha!" feeling. I believe it's meant to work this way. It's a more satisfying reward for the reader/watcher.
Given the comments people in the know had said, about the renewal being “a mistake,” I’m sadly not as surprised as I would have been. I had expected S2 to be the final season, but to pull the season completely even after the renewal is just sad.
It was a great first season but I knew it would get cancelled.
If a show takes even the slightest bit of concentration to follow, and you can't absorb the plot whilst playing with your phone, then it fails. Not many viewers are looking for a complex, intelligent story...they just want to be double distracted from their lives.
1899 suffered from this too, although in really it never really stood a chance against Netflix’s “fuck you” approach to shows.
They KNEW exactly what they were getting with 1899 due to it’s predecessor Dark. Dark was a slow burn that became immensely popular over time, and 1899 followed the same formula. But no. Netflix demands that shows be binged by half of their viewer base in the first week or it’s history.
1899 was written as a trilogy, the same as Dark. A complex story that would unravel over 3 seasons. Now 1899 sits on a shelf as one season with a fuck ton of unanswered questions. The poor writers were heartbroken (as was the fan base)
Yes I’m bitter, fuck Netflix.
Yeah dude. Anything decent funded by Netflix gets the same treatment.
1899 was a far superior show, in my opinion. That one hurt.
I felt it definitely got to the meat of the story faster than Dark. Dark felt much slower.
I was really enjoying it, it had so much potential. I keep hoping that some other network will pick it up.
I heard 1899 didn't hook viewers nearly as well as Dark, fwiw.
Dark didn’t in the beginning either. It’s following grew over time.
1899 had decent viewership, just not in the “format” that Netflix now demands (insane amount of views immediately).
They added the extra hamstring move of failing to set up the subtitles properly and having the English dub be the default option, which crippled parts of the show that relied on the viewer realizing that certain characters couldn’t understand each other.
That really killed my interest until I found out, and after I ended up really enjoying the show once that was sorted out.
Seriously, did we watch the same 1899??
From the third episode it was already making me think "oh, this is going to be one of those shows where literally everything is a mistery and nothing is ever explained".
And then, nothing gets explained, and the season ends with the cheapest "GOTYA!!" ever. Like... what?? I've spent HOURS watching this and I literally wasted all this time... hmm... of course it was cancelled. It was expensive and didn't really say anything meaningful.
"B-but because you need more seasons to understand", this is not how the business works. We can not trust you will deliver if you failed to do anything meaningful in a whole season.
As I said, that’s how Dark worked and Netflix took on 1899 knowing that. They knew it was supposed to be a trilogy, just like Dark. They knew it would be a mystery, just like Dark.
If they didn’t agree with that then they should have either a) not taken the project on, or b) made it absolutely clear to the writers that there was a high chance it would be cancelled after season 1 and to write it accordingly.
The expense part is purely on Netflix’s head. They wanted to invest in new technology and used 1899 as their reason/showcase. The writers couldn’t have cared less if it was a green screened boat or some weird 3D set.
Perhaps things would have been different if they had kept it in German (and in that branch of Netflix) rather than forcing it international, who knows. Let it perform accordingly for their local audience and then any international viewers are a bonus, god knows the majority of the English speaking world has zero interest in subtitles. Different cultures have different expectations from their programmes, and let’s face it, the American one is for the majority one of minimal effort and instant gratification.
The crucial aspect of Dark was very straightforward. Time-travel. And everything happens organically from there.
In 1899, every episode adds a new thing that is completely unrelated to the previous, nothing is consistent, and it turns out nothing is really meaningful at all in the end.
I could start the show watching season 2 and I would be as clueless as anyone.
I dunno. The wheel of time requires you to pay attention. Stranger things did as well. So did severance.
I'm not sure it's as simple as that.
Life is hard. I'm the end, TV is primarily a distraction from that. Is that so bad?
My gripe isn't really with vapid, simplistic TV shows; you can just choose not to watch that. It's that the current model of streaming services funding production seems to kill anything that doesn't fit that mold.
Fair enough, I feel like that's especially true for Netflix right now, in my opinion. I'm really enjoying some of the Apple TV shows right now, like Silo and Severance, that are a bit "meatier," intellectually speaking.
This is some BS. I don’t know why I even watch new shows anymore.
And so many shows could just as easily be a movie.
Because we live for entertainment?
We're safer watching anime at this point. Still angry about 1899 getting canceled. Wish it was possible for someone to pick it up other than Netflix or for Netflix to uncancel it.
Ah yes, the Claymore adaptation will finish it's source material any day now.
I am so glad 1899 got cancelled. One of the worst shows I've seen in years.
And it's one of the worst because it clearly had money to look great, and they decided to make the shittiest story, with the biggest plot-holes ever, and then finally finish it off like "yeah, nothing makes sense AND THAT'S THE POINT"... cheapest story ever.
Well now with joy and Nolan available maybe they can finish westworld…..
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Lol
I really tried but I did not like it at all...plot was good but the execution was horrible.
For what it's worth, the book is incredible. I haven't seen the show (tells you everything about how badly they marketed this that Amazon damn well knows I've read the book and yet never heard a peep about the show being a thing... You'd think with all that targeted advertising that this is one thing they could get right), but I can tell you that the novel took my breath away. Gibson has always been a master of his craft, but this is really something else, easily one of his best works.
Well, shit.
Damn it. I’d love to see Apple pick it up.
That's my bet right now.
It's obvious there **can **be a second season, at some point, it's just a question of who makes it available.
Not super surprised. It looked expensive but wasn't making much noise. People just didn't seem to talk about the show. A shame since it was an intriguing and well made show.
Looks like I have the unpopular opinion here but the whole show felt hollow. I just didn't believe the male protagonist felt anything for his sister, unit, friends, etc. The emotion wasn't there.
I agree. I tried to like it and got like 5 or 6 episodes in, but while the story is interesting, the acting was anything but.
I agree to an extent I think the female acting was good and some of the future people's were solid but the unit and brother yea were kinda bad. But I liked the story alot and was excited for another season.
Guess I'm just going to have to read the book.
You absolutely should, it's good even by Gibson's incredibly high standards.
Just put the second book on hold at the library. Not sure how closely the first season followed the first book, but I'll take the chance 😛
Nah I'll just z-library the whole series, I'm actually pretty sure I already have.
Reminder to not bother watching any streaming shows until they have finished.
Also a good way to ensure it is cancelled due to lack of interest.
No I stumbled across this a while back and was instantly hooked.
Well, damn.
Aww man. I liked that show.
God I really wish we could get Critical Role off Prime so I can be done with Amazon between this and A League of their Own
It was good for the first 2-3 first episodes, but it was going down for me later on. I didn't actually finish it.