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From the book "Stalin" the seminal work of Historian Domenico Losurdo

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[-] Finger@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

How is it possible? How could this happen?

[-] wombat@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Dynasty Warriors but it's the Eastern Front and you play as Stalin

[-] macabrett@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago
[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

just for the memes I'm also going to post Hitler despairing at Himmler doing archeology: Obviously I don't agree with the idea that indigenous Germans during Roman times were somehow "primitive" for not putting a bunch of marble statues up or whatever because I'm not of the same reactionary persuasion as Adolf Fucking Hitler, but it is funny to see him crying about it:

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Hey at least northerners didn't have communal toilets where you all poop while staring at each other

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[-] Llituro@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

really goes to show that redditors haven't changed over time

[-] asa_red_heathen@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Same vibes as when catholic fascists fight with viking larper fascists like Varg lmao

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[-] Sinister@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

According to family legends my great-grandfather a veteran from ww1 refused to fight the soviets for this very same reason and immediately ran back home after being drafted.

[-] WittyProfileName2@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

pit "nooo you're genetically inferior untermensch you can't carry out greater engineering feats than our big brained aryans."

stalin-approval "haha rail go brrrr."

[-] Pseudoplatanus22@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Reposting on old comment of mine with some more quotes, cos why not

Edit: This is the article I go the quotes from. There are more good ones in there too, where Hitler is essentially forced to admit that Soviet central planning was more efficient than market economies lol


I was reading through this article about German hubris whilst fighting the Soviets and modern day hubris when fighting the Russians the other day, and came across something interesting:

October 17, 1941. Hitler speaking to Reich Minister Dr. Todt and Gauleiter Sauckel:

"We shall have to settle down to the task of rebuilding the Russian track, to restore it to the normal gauge. There’s only one road that, throughout all these last months of campaigning, was of any use to the armies on the central front—and for that I’ll set up a monument to Stalin. Apart from that, he preferred to manufacture chains of mud rather than to build roads!..."

Initially I thought he was talking metaphorically, but is he actually talking about train track gauges? Did the Wermacht move supplies by train?


There's a load of other funny bits in there too:

Hitler, July 19, 1942:

"Just when the difficulties of the eastern winter campaign in the East had reached their height, some imbecile pointed out that Napoleon, like ourselves, had started his Russian campaign on 22nd June. Thank God, I was able to counter that drive with the authoritative statement of historians of repute that Napoleon’s campaign did not, in fact, begin until 23rd June!"

so-true Nice one Hitler, you really showed that guy

Hitler, August 26, 1942:

"If Stalin had been given another ten or fifteen years, Russia would have become the mightiest State in the world, and two or three centuries would have been required to bring about a change. It is a unique phenomenon! He has raised the standard of living—of that there is no doubt; no one in Russia goes hungry any more. They have built factories where a couple of years ago only unknown villages existed—and factories, mark you, as big as the Hermann Goring Works. They have built railways that are not yet even on our maps. In Germany we start quarrelling about fares before we start building the line !"

It's as if markets are inefficient or something

Hitler, August 28, 1942:

"As regards the Russians, their powers of resistance are inimitable, as they proved in the Russo-Japanese War. This is no new characteristic which they have suddenly developed."

So much for that rotten structure then, lmfao

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah the USSR had train tracks of a slightly different gauge as the tracks in Germany, wider if I am not mistaken. Lots of their Nazi equipment was shipped by the rails after the Wehrmacht engineers had refitted the tracks. For example: Tanks usually have a pretty short length of time you can reliably drive them before needing maintenance, which in the case of the overengineered German tanks, could sometimes mean an entire engine rebuild. It was simply practical to ship the tanks by rail until they were close to the front at which point they could be unloaded and driven the remaining distance.

If you look up a lot of the early objectives of Operation Barbarossa they were often rail hubs. Not only were these important to capture for Nazi war ambitions - they also wanted to deprive the Soviets of key infrastructure that could be used to efficiently resupply the Red Army. The Red Army had a lot of trucks provided through Lend-Lease but aside from the rails they also used a lot of animal-driven wagons given the necessities of warfare. Better to ship supplies on the back of a mule than nothing at all when the roads turned to mud in the spring rain. The history of the logistics on the Eastern Front is mind boggling.

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[-] cricbuzz@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

I'm currently reading Stalin: History and Critique of a Black Legend and these quotes are both referenced there as well. So satisfying to see the malding of Hitler and Goebbels once they realize they are absolutely fucked.

Interestingly, the British intelligence was way off too when it came to intelligence about the capabilities of the Soviets. Clearly nothing has changed as it sounds like today

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Clearly nothing has changed

ok maybe one important thing happened :(

[-] President_Obama@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

Please tag me in a short review of the book when you're finished if you want, I'm interested in that book

[-] cricbuzz@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

I'll try to remember that, comrade! But @utopologist@hexbear.net really sums it up nicely so far!

The general format so far has been to present an anti-Stalin trope as true, then do a surgical, thorough take-down of that trope. The initial example, which I hope I don't spoil, is Khrushchev presenting to (I believe) the Communist party members behind closed doors. He presents a massive diatribe against Stalin and the "cult of personality" he claims surrounded Stalin and how it was completely unwarranted and Stalin was an ineffective military leader, political leader, etc. Then the author has been going essentially passage by passage refuting this "take-down" and highlighting Stalin's profound leadership.

Really opening up my eyes to Stalin as a leader and his views of the Communist project

[-] President_Obama@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

Would love to hear if he critiques him, too - like his role in mass deportations of ethnic minorities, political suppression, and the cult of personality.

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