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submitted 8 months ago by Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone to c/linux@lemmy.ml

My current issue is i see you guys constantly having issues, editing files etc.

Is it not stable?

Can you not set it up and then not have ongoing issues?

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[-] KarthNemesis@kbin.social 6 points 8 months ago

I had far more issues on windows than I ever have on mint.

When I had issues on windows, which i would run into multiple times a week, the "fixes" would be hacky, slapped-together nonsense that don't even make sense on paper. I had to change almost every program manually to run as administrator. Installing old games was a nightmare and didn't always work properly, even with compatibility modes. New drivers would break stuff. Trying to learn anything new was a rabbit hole that took countless hours and then I only learned the fix for that one specific use-case, and not anything... overarching. System updates were so intrusive, installing crap I didn't want or removed manually, I disabled them completely. It was slow and boot took forever. Ending system processes via task manager didn't always work and the system would freeze often when something went wrong. Often uninstalling programs was messy and left shit all over in the system registry and files and you would have to defrag and system clean once it started getting bloated.

When my windows install finally broke completely just trying to get shit to work the way I wanted, I bailed.

Transitioning to mint was certainly a learning experience.

Reorganizing your workflow will always be more upfront work, but I found I took to the changes fairly quickly. I found the file structure the most odd, but I became very used to it and very much prefer it over how hard it is to find stuff spread scattershot in windows files. It had a lot of little quality of life things that I really appreciate, mounting and unmounting external drives felt better, way more stuff worked out of the box, old games were not a nightmare to get working because they're had longstanding fixes for years that actually make sense. Solutions, in general, make way more sense to me, and I actually get a sense that I understand why they function. My boot time is very fast and I've never broken my system (I came close once doing something incredibly stupid and very niche, but I just timeshifted back and voila, fixed.)

Fixes or changes for preference tend to "stick" for me, like when I swapped to pipewire myself it's been very smooth sailing. I can pick and choose updates or ignore packages that don't work. There was an issue with kernels for a while that significantly increased my boot times; I just postponed that update for a few versions until one of the newer ones worked. I find I can get down similar rabbit holes to learn some stuff, but it both feels more like "lasting" solutions (and I learn more about how to do other stuff) as well as just more fun. Documentation is a lot better with users who know what they're doing instead of the guesswork "well I dunno but this might have worked for me, I tried 20 fixes so it's probably one of these!" I would run into on windows troubleshooting...

I think my favourite part of linux is a lot of things I wanted solutions to, for years, usually have at least one person out there with a similar issue that wrote a small program that just does it. Does it well. For free. I spent so much time digging for really basic stuff like a sound equalizer that wasn't garbage, bloatware, full of trackers, or ransomware! I don't have to spend hours trying to find a stinkin' RGB controller that isn't awful because the choices available are just better! I don't have to spend weeks comparing and contrasting antivirus-es and hate all of them in the end!

I find mint extremely stable and have no urge to swap nor return to windows. I find it much more stable for my use-case. I really like it, actually, and I appreciate how a lot of it is set up. Been using it daily for 4 years.

I loathed windows the entire time I used it, and had been side-eyeing linux for quite a while before committing. I don't know if I'm a "normal" use-case, probably not. Possibly it is best to take my experience as, "if you keep hitting walls often in windows that frustrate the hell out of you, linux might be a decent choice for you, and might "feel easier."" Both have their own quirks and own troubleshooting, I just prefer the ones on mint and they make more sense to me. (And take me far less time.)

[-] Secret300@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago

Been using fedora for a few years now and the most recent issue I had was it wouldn't update because of Google Chrome for some reason. Uninstalled that and it works just fine

[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 5 points 8 months ago

Linux users would post their problems on various forums, but very rarely post their success story. Linux desktop is actually pretty good at this point. Just pick a distro and try it yourself.

[-] 0xtero@beehaw.org 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Just go ahead and try. You don't really need our permission to do that. Most distros support "live install" direct from the installation media, without making changes to your system. If you don't like it, reboot and you're back to whatever you had before

Have fun!

And to answer your double negation questions, yes and yes.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago

You don't really need our permission to do that.

User is not in the Install_Linuxers file. This incident will be reported.

[-] h3ndrik@feddit.de 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Hehe, you got your answer. You're lokking at the places where 0.05% of the users are discussing their problems and some others share their crazy customizations that aren't possible with anything else. And it seems like 95% of users having issues to you.

I'd argue Linux is way more stable than Windows. If that's your perspective. (Unless you do silly stuff.) But less stable than for example MacOS. It depends on which Linux Distro we're talking about. I'd say it's MacOS > Linux > Windows. With the biggest step down from Linux to Windows.

[-] clemdemort@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

MacOS > Linux ?

Honestly I'm not too sure, some distros (like debian) are much more stable IMO. We also have immutables distros which are more annoying to work with but hey let's compare apples to apples here.

[-] h3ndrik@feddit.de 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You're right. It's an oversimplification I made there. I recently tried MacOS in a VM and I talked a bit to people. You usually get a really smooth desktop experience. Apps are sandboxed, there is a fine permission system, they keep their stuff together and don't spread them across the filesystem. I think(?) the software brings their libraries along? Usually a used Macbook Pro is still fine and runs fast after 6 years. I think MacOS really shines on the desktop.

On Linux it's a bit more diverse. I mean we have the XDG specification file locations. But there's also lots of 'grown' stuff. We're still working on the sandboxing. And you get a different experience depending on the distro you're trying. And I'd prefer Linux on a server every time. It really excels for that use case and on the server we have Linux > everything else. And as a matter of fact I personally also prefer Linux on the desktop. And my Debian is also still running perfectly 6 years after I initially installed it. Had some minor issues with NVidia during the times, but that's to be expected and it wasn't that hard to fix. I wouldn't have had issues had I not mixed in testing and unstable, but there are lots of guides and tutorials around for the common woes. Which makes my argument a full circle.

[-] clemdemort@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Alright good point 👍🏻

[-] Capricorn@lemmy.today 4 points 8 months ago

The thing is that people use Linux and than find it so good that they try to find problems in order to spend time playing with it. It's like a hobby, or a game... But you can also use it without making it a hobby. Ubuntu was born for this, but for that I would honestly suggest something like Manjaro

[-] Asudox@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago
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[-] femboy_bird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 8 months ago

There's a common joke that it's not linux, it's gnu linux and this is followed by a long copy pasta about how linux is only the kernel which is the code that handles managing how your machine is used

In this case this is important, linux can be a stable os (notible examples include android os, linux mint, debian stable, as well as the server distributions) these generally update slower in order to make sure bugs get squashed. On the other hand there are linux operating systems that are difficult to use for a beginner such as arch, void, and gentoo. There are also distrobutions that have a bad habit of breaking manjaro, gentoo, come to mind. If you want a linux experience that is set it up once and have no more problems than anyone might expect to have on windows you can do that (sometimes you'll run into a situation where you have a device that doesn't play well with linux like an algato streamdeck or a device that doesn't have a driver yet like my sister's laptop webcam (thanks acer much appreciated) but in general you can have a stable easy experience as long as you aren't trying to do anything crazy

Here's my recommendation, make a linux mint thumbdrive boot off it, play around with it, and test varius hardware you have (ie bluetooth, webcam, that one usb dingle doop that no one else has but you use every day). Maybe don't install it (or do chances are it'll be just fine) but boot off it often, and once you've learnt the os pretty well, back up everything you care about and install linux mint

As an, aside i love your username, very clever

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[-] Rayspekt@kbin.social 4 points 8 months ago

Linux Mint (I'd recomment Debian edition, LMDE) is basically what you want to try out. I've set up a PC with it for my stepfather that hasn't used Linux at all and he's happy with it. It's designed to be as newbie-friendly as possible. You won't have more issues with it than you'll already have using Windows.

Then if you feel unsatisfied with anything about it, you can go looking for other linux distributions (distros) because you have a general idea what's happening.

[-] po-lina-ergi@kbin.social 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You won't have more issues with it than you'll already have using Windows.

You absolutely will, and the ones you get will be harder to solve. It's far more useable than it used to be, but the overall experience with Windows is still easier.

BUT it probably is quite usable for you overall. Just don't go into it expecting nothing but smooth sailing.

[-] massive_bereavement@kbin.social 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

IMO and maybe a wrong one, issues tend to happen for four reasons:

  • incompatible hardware
  • hardware failure
  • update breaks everything
  • I wanna do a cool thing from the internet

I'll say that the third one is very rarely occurring in Mint, and I wouldn't say it's not happening in Windows.

The first one is in my experience the most common, though less frequent than it was some time ago.

The last one is the reason you see many posts around here :)

[-] Laser@feddit.de 4 points 8 months ago

Not using Windows except for work, I use Linux mostly because of Microsoft's design decisions. I guess depending on your use case, Windows can be a perfectly fine OS. Personally, I think their behavior is unprofessional (trying to force Microsoft accounts on users, ads in the start menu, integration of AI into the system which means transmitting data to their servers etc) so I'm willing to accept tradeoffs for systems which do not come with these downsides.

In the end, OSs are inherently complex.

[-] veer66@lemmy.one 4 points 8 months ago

Yes, it is stable.

[-] eugenia@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago

There are a lot of help posts on the MS and other windows forums too. Computers and OSes will always have issues because of complexity and incompatibilities between hardware and software. No matter if you install Windows, Linux, or MacOS. The machines that are least buggy because each manufacturer is doing extensive tests, are the mobile OSes, iOS and (most) Android. It's not as possible to do the same on a desktop OS. So cut your losses, and install Linux Mint, which is I believe it's the best for newbies.

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

Car enthusiasts spend a lot more time under the hood than normal drivers. You'll find a similar effect here.

Install something like Linux Mint, maybe chase down a few quirks with your particular hardware (for instance, I installed a surround sound system with a fairly hot amplifier, so every time the motherboard turns the sound chip on and off there's a loud pop, so I had to change a couple settings in some config files from 1 to 0 and Y to N, and it's been fine ever since) and you're pretty much golden until you decide to start messing with something.

There are extremely stable Linux distros, there are Linux distros that aren't so stable, but come with newer packages. Which one you choose depends on what you want.

[-] recarsion@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago

Unless you have very niche needs or choose to tinker, everything just works.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago

Linux has different flavors, some with bleeding edge updates like Arch, some rock-stable and built on FOSS like Debian, some that force you to compile nearly everything on your end to save fractions of seconds in compute time like Gentoo, and some meant to be as beginner friendly as possible like Cinammon/Mint.

Linux "fans" are likely to use something like Arch and break something, then fix it. People who use Linux will use Fedora or something and call it a day. You don't have to go down the rabbit hole and play with all of the shiny new tools as they release.

[-] HumanPerson@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

You absolutely can. I set up my Debian server to automatically stay updated and restart regularly and don't have to touch it if I don't want to. Yesterday, air had to spend like 30 min getting kde 6 setup on tumbleweed because it's a roll in ng distro. The nice thing about linux is it allows you to make trade offs depending on what your priorities are.

[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

The biggest issues I've had were either because of hardware (native drivers not supported by manufacturer) or because I was manually editing config files.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 4 points 8 months ago

Depends on what you want to do. For most general uses, Linux is stable af.

Unlike Windows, Linux doesn't really try to stop you from doing much when it comes to customization, scripting and tinkering, the only limitations are your abilities and how well you can find proper information on the internet. The more exotic sort of thing you try to do the more likely you may inadvertently break something. That said, have fun with it, try the live distro, then dual booting first, and if you do break something you can easily reinstall, until you're ready to move fully.

[-] ulkesh@beehaw.org 3 points 8 months ago

Until one of the RAM sticks went bad, my parents, who are in their 60s ran Ubuntu Linux for years without an issue. I set it up in 2016, as a dual boot with Windows. They almost never booted into Windows, and told me they preferred Linux.

[-] pbjamm@beehaw.org 3 points 8 months ago

My children ran Mint desktops for years without issue or complaint. When I bought them new laptops though I decided to let them run the default Windows.

[-] ulkesh@beehaw.org 4 points 8 months ago

(To preface, when I say "Linux", I'm referring to the effectively established colloquialism that "Linux" means kernel + utilities + distribution = operating system)

Right. In fact, at home, I run all three operating systems. To me, it's using the right tool for the job. Windows is a great OS for gaming (though Valve is working to make it as viable on Linux, it's still not...quite...there, but close). Mac is great for UX, media work, and as a work PC (software development or otherwise). Linux is great for tinkering, software development, and running services.

The "issues" that the OP even refers to are usually not so much real issues, but rather a person simply trying to learn. And that's what is great about Linux for someone who doesn't yet know it -- there's a LOT to learn. I've been using Linux since 1999 (big box Redhat 5.1!) and I still often learn something new about it.

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[-] Dagamant@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Most problems I run into with Linux are caused by me doing weird things. Linux doesn’t prevent you from messing with things you don’t understand but if you just want to use it as a standard desktop then you shouldn’t have many issues aside from finding replacement applications for things you are used to using.

If you decide to start tinkering, just keep a backup of your home directory since it contains all your settings and files.

[-] wargreymon2023@sopuli.xyz 3 points 8 months ago

Look, programs always have issues, always have bugs. The best model on linux dostro is "rolling release", which is explicit about constantly fixing the issues.

[-] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

As everyone is saying, Linux can be perfectly stable, depending on your distribution.

The only thing I’d think about is that you could have to tweak a few things to get everything working at the beginning.

For instance, I had nothing to change to make everything work in Fedora on my Surface Go, but I gad to enable rom fusion in the terminal to get the wifi working on my wife’s MacBook Pro.

Otherwise, you can just enjoy your Linux distribution as long as you don’t want to do crazy stuff out of the beaten paths.

[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Depends on the distro, some are rolllig. /s

And some are intended to fiddle with (Arch and Gentoo for example). Others are made to explore new ways to do things (like immutable root, state managing package manager, each app in their folder Mac-style, such things). Of course there's a lot of stable general-use distros too. But you may ask someone else for examples.

[-] HubertManne@kbin.social 3 points 8 months ago

Im a big zorin fan. Its an out of the box distro that focuses on windows compatiblity. that means it comes with tons of preinstalled apps so that you can do things right away like edit docs or watch videos but it also comes with well configured play on linux so that there is a good chance you can run any needed windows programs that you need to. Maybe people graduate out to more unixy stuff but its funny. Im a tech guy but in my personal life I just want to install and go. https://zorin.com/os/

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