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Edit: Jesus Christ, people. If you buy a $150 Thinkpad made by slave labor instead of a $1,200 MacBook made by slave labor, you're still supporting a capitalist economy based on slave labor. We all do. We have no choice. The number of smug liberals in the comments saying "well I buy a cheap used laptop" or "well I buy coffee beans and make my own coffee" are completely missing the fucking point.

Don't tell yourself your consumption is moral. All of us make unethical choices every day because there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Accept your shame and guilt and let it drive you to do better.

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[-] Resonosity@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I love it when people use the absolute-unethical capitalism comment when we do have initiatives out in the world that are progressing to indeed bring better conditions to workers or help solve other problems.

See the following, in no particular order; also note that most of this is with reference to textiles, but some overlap with other sectors:

  • United Nations (aka Global Compact, Global Compact on Migration, Global Compact on Refugees)

  • OEKO-TEX

  • The Textile Exchange

  • Forest Stewardship Council

  • Science Based Targets Initiative

  • Global Standard (aka GOTS)

  • International Accreditation Forum (aka ISO)

  • SEDEX (aka SMETA)

  • PETA

  • Good Jobs First

  • Fairtrade Labelling Organization International (aka FairTrade)

  • B Lab

  • Bluesign Technologies

  • Social Accountability International

  • Climate Neutral

  • amfori (aka BSCI)

  • Worldwide Responsible Accredited Production (aka WRAP)

  • 1% For The Planet

  • Cradle to Cradle Products Innovation Institute

  • Sustainable Apparel Coalition

  • Stichting ZHDC Foundation

  • Fair Wear Foundation

  • Global Green USA

  • Global Reporting Initiative (aka GRI) via Corporate Register

  • Regenerative Organic Alliance (aka ROC)

  • Better Cotton Initiative (aka BCI)

  • CELC Developpement (aka European Flax™, Masters of Linen™ Certified)

  • Belgian Flax & Linen Association (aka Belgian Linen™ Certified)

  • European Union (aka Ecolabel Certified)

  • United States of America (aka USDA Organic)

  • American Apparel and Footwear Association

  • Canopy Planet

  • Ecological and Toxicological Association of Dyes and Organic Pigments Manufacturers (aka ETAD)

  • Better Work aka International Labor Organization aka United Nations / International Finance, Corporation aka World Bank Group

  • Open Supply Hub

  • TÜV AUSTRIA

  • International Association of Better Business Bureau

  • Business & Human Rights Resource Centre

  • U.S. Green Building Council (aka USGBC)

  • CSP Worldwide (auditor)

  • Ecovadis (auditor)

  • MSCI (auditor)

  • Sustainalytics (auditor)

I'm sure there are plenty of others out there, but I think at least for the textile sector, there is a consorted effort towards a better economy for workers, users, and the planet. See also Fairphone and their FarTrade Gold program, as well as Framework laptops.

[-] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 3 points 7 months ago

The "have no choice" argument is extremely thin nowadays and letting it fly is just leaking ignorance or at times hipocricy. Anyone living in the first world has an option to help and just want to blame the elite that are the offender. The assailants that enjoy the disparity in the world obviously aren't going to do anything about it so it is just convenient whine

[-] systemglitch@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Let me know when someone dies without Starbucks. I have all life, so take your time.

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Oo k. But why the male actor guy?

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[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

What a stupid fucking analogy. Protesting capitalism with stickers in Starbucks = living under slavery. Fuck off.

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[-] RinseDrizzle@midwest.social 3 points 7 months ago

Vaguely related.. reminding me of my struggle as I research investing in new laptop.

Looking for something powerful enough for live DJ, live music production performance with groove box, keyboard, etc, ideally graphic design sufficient as well. Want ability to move my crafts to a buddy's studio or a proper gig.

Big needs of course are robust processing power/ram, loads of storage ideal, battery life a big plus, quieter than gaming PC preferred, lots of ports a must, and goddammit I want it to last more than a few years before it declines sharply.

I really don't want an Apple. Been there; done that; over it. College graphic design machine had a graphic card that crapped out extra early. Plenty of spots would recommend Apple. Haven't gone too deep on Linux so no idea if software and live performance will work on that consistently and reliably. Generally use mostly Windows 10 these days.

If anyone has any insights or recommendations on a lappy that checks my boxes I am all ears and eager for discussion!

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

now, i really only recommend this is if you dont mind spending a while getting yourself familiar with the lineup, and the used market, but i would recommend looking for a solid used thinkpad. I'm preferential to the t/w 420 or 520 series, you can get them in pretty decent condition for pretty cheap, though some of the newer ones are quite a bit more modern. They aren't super flexible on ports, but they have a significant variety, as well as a number of integrated features. And of course docking stations, though im not sure if those disable on board ports or not.

the t480 does also have a really cool feature where it has two batteries, one internal, and one external, and you can swap the external one as needed, so you basically have infinite battery life lol. The newer ones are alright, they don't adhere to the design language of the older thinkpads though.

The framework is a very solid bet if you want a no frills machine that's modern though, can rep. They cost money though.

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[-] okasen@slrpnk.net 3 points 7 months ago

So a perspective I haven’t seen here yet: in many places, Starbucks is the only suitable third space left. I.e. place that is not work/school or home. I have non-Starbucks cafes nearby, but due to astronomical and increasing rent for all the independent cafes in walking distance, they are in smaller buildings and they can’t afford to have people sitting for hours on laptops using the WiFi/talking to friends/reading a book. I still support my local cafes for food and coffee, or really short meetings with folks, but if I need to get out of the house and spend time in public where I’m not obligated to speedrun my coffee, Starbucks is The Choice.

And that’s why i might be inside of a Starbucks while hating capitalism. Because capitalism made Starbucks the only corporation able to afford proper cafe space.

(There is a library nearby, yes, but not with good space for sitting down and working on a laptop. And even having THAT Is a massive privilege)

(Also I actually do have a MacBook that I do my personal stuff on, because of various bits of software i need that are OS specific, which is annoying as heck but i got used to my work mac anyways and then found a nice one used… so yeah.)

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 points 8 months ago

Nobody is forcing you to buy a mac and a Starbucks 🤣

[-] shea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Lmao participate in capitalism or die! That means you should spend all your money on the most expensive version of all your luxury items instead of using an old PC and making coffee at home. Internet hard-lefties need to take a look in the mirror, go outside, and readjust their priorities. Its these jokers that leftists get lumped in with that make us look bad. Yes, the original picture in this post is hilarious and ironic for all the same reasons it was originally posted, and I say that as someone who might agree with most of the laptop person's political views

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