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Why is the "shoot at" in quotes? Allegedly shoot?
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It's eye witness testimony (according to article) so technically good journalistic practice to quote rather than state. Elsewhere it talks about beatings, for which the journalists could see the wounds, so no quotations are used. If the i had evidence of gunshots (I.e. footage, bullet wounds) I suspect they would state rather than quote.
I get that it seems awfully calous to cast doubt on the words of the vulnerable, but the fact remains there are those who mask lies behind a veneer of vulnerablility, it's best practice for a reason.
Passive voice found to be not enough to justify "criminal" behavior by the nice police officers.
Either that, or the police officers were so bad at distinguishing the gun's front from its back that what they did can't really qualify as shooting at anything in particular.
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Do you believe that the treatment these people received according to the article was right, and justified?
Europeans once again proving they’re racist towards migrants and the Roma people
Migrant isn't a race
That’s true, they’re racist against people from poorer countries with dominantly darker skin tones.
No German for example is racist against Danish people or worries about French immigration, although these migrants are part of migrant statistics.
No German for example is racist against Danish people or worries about French immigration
I mean that's not true but also, I guess the numbers and of course culture and integration is different.
I would really appreciate an example of German people or the German state behaving badly against Danish people because of racism. And of course not being PoC.
I don’t think that there are especially high numbers of Morroccons coming to Europe.
And I think it’s not easy to integrate if you’re being shot at.
So maybe that should change first.
It's not as loud or widespread, but if you think European racism stops at the border or something then you are way off. For something I have more personal experience with me, see Swedish racism against Finns. It's negative stereotypes, harder to get a job, thinking Finns are more violent and criminal, that sorta stuff.
"During the 1960s and 1970s, there was a significant influx of Finnish economic migrants into Sweden. Between 1950 and 1980 the number of Finns in Sweden increased from 45,000 to over 300,000. Attitudes towards Finnish immigrants were quite negative in Sweden. Derogatory expressions en finne igen ('yet another Finn') and finnjävel (equivalent to 'Finnish bastard' or 'Finnish devil') were commonly used.[10][11] An anthology, Finnjävlar, was published, in which 15 Finns in Sweden describe their lives and lives of their parents in Sweden.[12] In Sweden the Tornedalians were also once seen as an inferior race and speaking Finnish was banned in school."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Finnish_sentiment
I don’t think that there are especially high numbers of Morroccons coming to Europe.
Uhm... I guess you mean right now compared to some other groups, but
"Moroccans are one of the largest migrant populations in Europe, with the Moroccan diaspora community living in France estimated at 1,146,000, Spain 766,000, Italy 487,000, the Netherlands 363,000, Belgium 700,000 and Germany 127,000."
I think you’re exaggerating a lot. I prefer to listen to these guys, at least for the present.
https://www.quora.com/How-are-relations-among-the-Scandinavian-nations-Are-there-any-animosities
You know, even within Germany there are stereotypes and animosities against other German tribes. I consider that siblinghood, not racism.
I mean you can of course choose what to believe in this respect, but it's right there in the article. Finns used to be the shittily treated migrants in Sweden. Now it's other groups who get the brunt of that racism.
I consider that siblinghood, not racism.
You've had a pretty shitty siblings in that case. If someone thinks you're lesser because of your genetics or "race" then I'd consider that racism. And Swedes certainly thought that of Finns. Huge parts of Europe considered that of each other until fairly recently.
Correction:
Croatian military prevents illegal border crossing.
The last decade have been ridiculous, migrating to the EU is not a human right.
Wonder why they're migrating
Perhaps it has something to do with the past few centuries of brutal colonization by western Europe and Japan, the ongoing neocolonialism of the Global South, the coups, sanctions, and invasions by imperial core countries whenever a "former" colony tries to escape this imperialism?
Nah, I'm sure they're doing it for no reason.
The fact that climate change hurts Global South countries the most also probably has nothing to do with it.
They still need to follow the laws and migrate in the proper way
You mean like the European followed the rules of the local peoples when they went to conquer the world, right?
Or you mean, if you have the power and weaponry you can do whatever you want to other peoples and noone can judge you.
Wise words, you must be a wise guy.
Wow, you wasted a lot of time making a comment that just says "Europe bad".
Yes, Europe did a lot of horrific shit in the past, but remember that two wrongs doesn't make a right.
in the past
Currently funding and supporting a genocide through the colony in Palestine to keep it subjugated.
I'm guessing you'll be saying fascist shit like this in the future too when these victims eventually have to immigrate to the regions not destroyed by imperialism — that is, Europe — cuz of this?
two wrongs
What "wrong"? Migrating to stay alive?
The Palestine situation is absolutely horrific, and Europe needs to pull all funding from Israel to stop the genocide.
That being said, I have no idea what you mean when talking about a colony in Palestine, Israel is it's own country.
Migrating to stay alive?
The woman in the article was from Morocco, if she fled foe her life the first avaliable country not directly threatning her should be where she requests asylum, else she is an economic migrant, and should go through the normal process.
Claiming this to be fascist just waters down the word.
So why should this woman from Morocco not come here? What’s the reason behind that ruling you support so passionately. You claim it’s not racist/fascist. So give us the reason.
Ok, you house her.
That’s in no way a reason why the woman should not be allowed to enter the EU.
It’s just one of those stupid things rightwingers tell people who are against shooting refugees at the border or letting migrants drown in the Mediterranean.
So again, why should this woman be rejected at the border of EU?
I have no idea, I didn't see that she had tried the official route.
If she had gone the official route and was rejected, then insert official reason here.
The EU doesn't have the resources to help everyone.
Sweden has tried open imgration crap and look at the shit we are in now.
People always have the right to ask for asylum. That’s the law.
She and many others have obviously been stripped off that right by the border patrols who push them back by brutalizing them like animals.
You’re Swedish? What shit are you in now? Oh wait, it’s too much fascists like you there, I guess.
Ah, you are one of those leftist extremists, who jump on the insults immediately when someone happenes to lean even slightly away from the left wall.
I am no fascist, but since you allready have decided that I am, further discussion will prove pointless.
Your okay with people from poorer countries being shot at and beaten up and pushed back by or supported by Europe (EU).
You talk about people as crap on the ground that they wish to move to Europe.
So what could I be expected to be thinking of you other than fascist?
I am ok with EU's borders being protected by force, yes, this is not a fascist oppinion.
That is my entrie point.
I am 100% for the EU accepting migrants that are accepted after being vetted.
I strongly believe that the EU needs to focus more on local relief rather than bringing refugees into the EU, it is a far, far better use of resources.
I strongly believe that the EU should focus on exporting education to poor countries for a low cost, with the requirenment that the student then uses their skills in their home country to improve the situation for a minimum of 10 years.
I strongly believe that poor nations should focus on internal education, it is the single best way to improve the living standards of a country's citizens.
I am ok with EU's borders being protected by force, yes, this is not a fascist oppinion.
I am 100% for the EU accepting migrants that are accepted after being vetted.
What you are okay with is, rejecting them the opportunity to ask for asylum. Taking away from them the chance to be vetted. By chasing them away and pushing them back with brute force. That’s what happening there. And that is fascist.
I believe in human rights and in self-determination of every individual.
I believe that it's not my business to decide where anybody should go or whether they have to stay where they are.
Especially not after my people used brute force for hundreds of years to take that right for themselves, without meeting any of the rules that we put on immigrants now. Again with brute force.
I know that many of those people trying to come would rather stay at home. If we also don’t want them to come we have to make sure that they can live in dignity wherever they come from.
So that those few who come because they love our culture and appreciate our philosophy can come without creating any inconvenience.
I believe, that the only way to make us put some effort into creating livable conditions in their home countries, is to give them the right to come here.
If they expect having better chances of getting a job or an education for their children by coming here, then they will come. Like Millions of Europeans went to America, Australia etc in former centuries.
Equal rights for all. You can't change the rules to your advantage every now and then. Well, we can, because we have the power, but that’s deeply unethical and will destroy our values and our lives and our democracies more than any refugee crisis could.
Up to now we are doing exactly that; changing the rules of migration to our advantage. It’s forbidden now to migrate out of poverty, to look for a better life in a more prosperous part of the world.
It’s our clean hypocrite fascism to keep them out of our territory. And we are willing to sacrifice every single human right for it as long as we don’t have to say it out loud. We pay a lot for it and we let those poor people pay an even higher price. In many cases they have to pay with their lives for their pursuit of happiness.
I don’t consent! Our politics are not in my name and I feel deeply ashamed by our behavior.
The worldview you have is pretty unrealistic, we have limited resources, it is unrealistic to think that we can house and feed the entire worlds population who wants to come here.
Oh and allowing for unrestricted migration will also lead to a massive brain drain, reducing the ammount to people with the skills that a poor country needs to develop and turn into a prosperous country.
I completely fail to see the logic of how allowing the unrestricted migration from a developing country would benefit the developing country at all.
Allow for travel and temporary visas for studying in the EU, even lower the cost significantly for people from poor countries but a requirenment is that they need to go back after finnishing their studies and actually practice in their field of study.
Brain drain is a huge issue for any country, especially poor, so let's help them stop it.
It's not only "Europe bad". It’s more like the Europeans all over world (call them white if you want) feeling entitled to behave like shit against the rest of the world. Committing genocide in every country they like to settle themselves.
And that’s not the past, that’s how we rule the world until today. And every day we prove to the world that our accomplishments like democracy or human rights are not for Non-Europeans.
You’re right, Europe did horrific things.
But migration for the pursuit of happiness (like a job and education for your children) isn’t a horrific thing. At all! It’s just normal human behavior since the beginning of time.
In the contrary, comparing it with committing genocide after genocide, like you do, is a horrific thing.
Freedom of movement is a human right! Everywhere. For everyone. In every direction!
Laws made by those colonizers and invaders?
Granted, the foundation to the EU was made before I was born, but I never knew that the EU has invaded and colonized other nations.
Congratulations on learning that present systems exist in the context and foundations of what came before.
And the EU has indeed invaded Libya in the recent past though NATO.
That operation was requested by the UN, NATO was asked to perform it, I don't remember the EU taking part, though some member nations did.
Migrating to the EU is not no, but due process is. Having items seized (in the way the article also describes) would qualify as an abuse of power.
People have the right to apply for asylum.
The police does not have the right to inflict undue violence on prisoners.
We can discuss, under what conditions someone is allowed to migrate to a country, but both the right to asylum, and to fair treatment by the police, should be basic requirements for a free democracy.
It is quite clear that many of us often seem to fail at meeting these requirements.
I would say it is. Freedom of movement is a human right. Everywhere. For everybody. In every direction.
You know, for several centuries now took it as our god given right to go wherever we want, take what we want, settle where we want.
And extreme few European immigrants bothered with learning the languages of the indigenous people or adjusting to their customs and traditions.
So I consider this a time to give back and that we don’t have any right to turn this people away.
And our behavior is the perfect prove that we’re still the same assholes that we’ve been throughout history, and us talking human rights and democracy is just bullshitting around.
Btw yes the right to migrate is a human right. Shooting pregnant women trying to migrate isnt.
No country on earth will ever allow unrestricted immigration, and they shouldn't, their first duty is to their own citizens, not to let migrants in.
EU countries have embassies in Morroco, she should have contacted them and applying for migration permission.
I don't understand why these concepts are hard to grasp.
That stands. Using force if they refuse to go back is also fair. The thing I don't understand is why the fuck are they stealing/destroying their phones and passports?
Because then you can't prove where they came from and even if they tell you their country of birth, without actual evidense it is very hard to send them back
this post was submitted on 01 Apr 2024
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