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Disclaimer; I'm never going to watch or read the rest of Attack on Titan. I think it's a gross, misanthropic story. So if I'm completely wrong about the conclusion let me know n the comments

Since "media literacy" and "How could you say my blorbo is a fascist?" are constant and inescapable on the net, I was once again drawn in to the "Is AoT fascist?" discourse.

I stopped watching AoT during the first season because it's a story of a bunch of valiant heroes grimly marching to their deaths in a war of annihilation against a teeming swarm of sub-humans who exist for no other purpose than to crush the light of civilization in an orgy of mindless violence.

Which is to say, the straightest possible portrayal of the fascist world view.

But many in the discourse argue that this isn't fair, the author clearly shows that the protagonist is the bad guy, people are dumb and media illiterate. Well, I don't want to watch four seasons of gorn just to weigh in on weird anime discourse, so let's just look at a summary of the conclusion of the story.

Let's see... minority with tainted blood who once ruled the world with an iron fist gains control over superweapons and immediately uses them to exterminate all of pure blooded humanity, even though he didn't have to, as human history is a zero-sum clash of civilizations in which there is no possible alternative but an inevitable war of annihilation between those of pure blood and those of tainted blood. Also apparently ~~The Jews~~ The Marleyan Royal Family secretly set the whole thing in motion.

No fascism detected! What a relief! It's a good thing the author expressed his view that racial war of annihilation is the only possible conclusion to the inevitable clash of civilizations! I was afraid he'd look directly at the camera and say "Everything that Hitler believed is correct and I have written a story reflecting that".

Like, seriously, the story starts with the ~~Jews~~ Eldians engaged in an auto-cannibalistic war of annihilation, and the story ends with the protagonist, once noble and heroic, revealing his true ~~Jewish~~ Eldian nature by annihilating humanity for basically no reason. "Eren is the bad guy!" Yeah no shit, that's exactly what the author said; The Jew cannot overcome his nature and will inevitably destroy the world no matter what. He set up a story where we sympathize with the hero, and then in the end the hero is shown to have inevitably turned in to a monster as the power of his tainted blood leads him to destroy real humans. It's Race Realism: The Motion Picture

Or maybe I'm totally wrong. idk, because I don't want to watch 40 hours of miserably nihilist murder porn written by someone who pretty obviously hates humanity.

Final thought; Isayama is Zach Snyder if Zach Snyder hated humanity.

For my next trick I will explain why Fullmetal Alchemist; Brotherhood is apologia for the crimes of Imperial Japan

Edit: I have observed that a lot of people are assessing AoT's message based on what the characters say or do. I was recently introduced to the idea of "Diegetic Essentialism", an emerging, often unconscious, belief among many people that media can only assessed within the context of the story, with the characters treated as though they were real people instead of puppets of the authors. Thus, "Isayama depicted all sides as miserable fascists" is considered important, rather than examining the world the author created and what that says about the author's beliefs about humanity and life.

Here's the post that introduced me to Diegetic Essentialism. From our buds over at /r/Sigmarxism, of course. I'd been struggling to articulate something I saw for a long time and this gave me a name for what I had seen.

https://libreddit.kavin.rocks/r/Sigmarxism/comments/11wt3kp/the_plague_of_diegetic_essentialism_or_how_i/

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[-] idkmybffjoeysteel@hexbear.net 10 points 8 months ago

You're wrong and Attack on Titan is good actually

[-] reverendz@hexbear.net 10 points 8 months ago

Fantastic read! Really nailed how I feel about it as well.

[-] Thordros@hexbear.net 8 points 8 months ago

Attack on Titan is Starship Troopers if the movie were two days long. No, I will not elaborate.

[-] puff@hexbear.net 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Stopped following the story because it was extremely boring but read the author's updated ending and it seemed like maybe a 'war is bad' thing to me (spoiler: there's a time lapse into the future of civilization developing then having another war then some future kid accidentally discovers the plot device and it's implied that the story loops over). I think the rest of the story is more dumb than malicious but I could be wrong. I don't think you're supposed to support the main character's genocide just like you're not supposed to support Walter White.

[-] Barabas@hexbear.net 8 points 8 months ago

Don’t think FMA is straight up apologia for imperial Japan, but it is very much written from the perspective of the imperialist.

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 5 points 8 months ago

Make one of these but for saga of Tanya the evil, I would love to hear bickering over the author's intent over the fact that he's supposedly a Japanese socialist critiquing the fascist mindset so~ well that every fascist weeb loser worships his work as unironically as they love starship troopers

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago

Is that the one where the ss guy gets re-incarnated as a magic ten year old or something like that?

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago

Not exactly, imagine the Japanese version of mayo pete that worships the Chicago school of economics who worked at that demonic company McKinsey & Co. getting yeeted in front of a train by a former employee he just fired then reincarnating as a magic baby girl born in the ww1 German empire but mixed with ww2 elements who later grows up to volunteer to join the army at 10 to try and slither his way into a safe rear-lines office job but ends up getting fucked over by his corporate bootlicking nature and sent to the frontlines.

Basically what if a real libertarian Demon got isekaid into ww1/ww2

[-] AdmiralDoohickey@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 7 months ago

I don't buy that, especially after how the disgusting movie did this for the lulz

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

I'm quite aware, which is why I made the distinction of "socialist" instead of communist - though when talking about Japan that may be a moot point of indistinguishability.

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