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IDF sources: Gaza aid workers killed because 'officers on the ground do what they want' (www.haaretz.com)

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The IDF and defense ministry claimed that the aid workers' killing resulted from poor coordination. Israeli army sources later refuted their claims, saying the incident has 'no connection to coordination' and was caused by the fact that 'every commander sets the rules for himself'

The sources accused the IDF's Southern Command of trying to deflect blame for the incident in Deir al-Balah, in which seven employees of World Central Kitchen were killed. A source in the intelligence branch said the command "knows exactly what the cause of the attack was – in Gaza, everyone does as he pleases."

Army regulations say that final approval for any action against sensitive targets like aid organizations must be given by senior officers – the division commander, the head of the command or even the chief of staff. But in Gaza, the source said, "every commander sets the rules for himself" and gives his own interpretation of the rules of engagement.

"It has no connection to coordination," the intelligence branch source said. "You can set up another 20 administrations or war rooms, but if someone doesn't decide to put an end to the conduct of some of the troops inside Gaza, we'll see more incidents like this."

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[-] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 39 points 9 months ago

That's what the Zionists said at the outset. There are no rules of engagement.

They are going to pin this on rogue actors but this is a policy decision.

[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 29 points 9 months ago

The whole state is a rogue actor.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 15 points 9 months ago

Yep, it was a drone strike, this is not a fog of war thing, some guy in an office in Tel Aviv was piloting that thing and would've had access to any intelligence needed to make the right decision.

This is not some guy cut off from his unit without a radio shooting the wrong people or whatever they're trying to present this as.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

What would make a person hate a group of people so much that they would commit such an act?

[-] filister@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago

Anyone surprised, because I am not. And it is not that this wasn't the case long before the 7th of October and the only reason we are reading about this now is because the aid workers were foreigners.

If they were all Palestinians we probably wouldn't hear about it. And that's fucked up. Seriously fucked up.

[-] sab@kbin.social 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

As genocide per definition requires internt, the argument that "whoops, it was an accident!" might actually hold up in court.

Of course it is not an accident, and central authorities (Netanyahu and his fascists) know exactly what they're doing. But this is what they're betting on, and time will tell if it works out for them.

The genocide convention and the state of Israel were brothers in birth, both being responses to the atrocities of the Holocaust. This time around they will be reunited as enemies.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Would be a real shame if they publicly stated they wanted to eradicate all Palestinians and someone compiled those admissions in an 84 page document.

The ICJ ruling won't do anything anyways. America and israel have already stated they will ignore it if it finds them guilty.

Last week the ICJ made a ruling to force israel to let in more aid and now israel is openly bombing aid foreign workers. And Biden is already covering for israel. It's pretty clear the ICJ is a toothless little pet.

[-] livus@kbin.social 20 points 9 months ago

I've seen cases of war criminals brought to justice many, many years after their crimes.

Even if they seem untouchable right now, it's important to keep records relating to this genocide because one day we (the people of the world) might be in a position to prosecute some of these monsters.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago

Would be a real shame if they publicly stated they wanted to eradicate all Palestinians and someone compiled those admissions in an 84 page document.

No no you need to get them to 85 before it legally counts as genocide (read in a thick Israeli accent) (I've never actually heard an Israeli accent so I maybe this isn't as funny as I think it is).

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 5 points 9 months ago

The rules-based world order and international law was always dependent on enforcement by the member states. It's not like the UN has its own army or police force to arrest people or enforce rulings.

[-] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 13 points 9 months ago

I mean, genocide is not a single event. Even a massacre is not necessarily genocide by itself. It's a systemic, large scale process. If we're going to the scale of genocide, it won't be about one or two events, but a multitude of events at which point it's getting hard to put the blame on a rogue person or on accidents.

That aside, it's of course something that the IDF went from "we are a modern, precise army, the best of the crop" to "no, we can't be at fault, we have no control over ourselves, everyone just does what they want".

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 7 points 9 months ago

The strategy from day one was to starve Gazans, and every step they've taken is in service of that. There's no way this is an accident. First they destroyed UNRWA, now they're forcing other NGO's to pull out. The 'protests' at the border crossings are anything but spontaneous as well.