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It's always semicolon, God damnit....... (lemmy.world)
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[-] PhobosAnomaly@feddit.uk 41 points 6 months ago

I was brought up on C, did a module of Java at uni, and am doing an algorithms course which is python heavy.

My other half - who's quite handy with Python - looks in sheer horror at my code which is littered with semicolons.

I was stumped for half an hour figuring out why the Python interpreter was bouncing an error before it had even reached the main program logic... turns out a { before the block of code royally ruins the interpreter's day.

Still, I live and learn.

[-] sirico@feddit.uk 39 points 6 months ago

import " " as ;

[-] Dirk@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago

I;don't;think;that;helps

[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago

For bonus points take their code and completely go wild with utterly random indentation and line breaks, just to drive the point home. 😈

[-] trolololol@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

Pfff just randomly replace tabs with 4 spaces and see the world burn

[-] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

4 spaces is the preferred pythons is happy with either but the standard is 4 spaces. Vscodium ensures that.

[-] trolololol@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Your editor is happy with either, but is it happy with both?

[-] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

My editor will take either and convert it to 4 spaces. Python can use spaces or tabs but not both in the same file.

[-] trolololol@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Buahahahah I know what to do next commit

[-] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Its the python equivalent of a Greek question mark

[-] Gabu@lemmy.ml 23 points 6 months ago

That's actually me removing semicolons from Python.

[-] cybervseas@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

How does one manually add a semicolon? vs. automatically?

[-] atyaz@reddthat.com 7 points 6 months ago

JS formatters add them if the project requires it

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 6 months ago

Manually would be if it prompted you every time you every time the program inserts one. No, wait...

[-] lowleveldata@programming.dev 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

~~Python~~Amateur programmers

[-] shasta@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago

This is why linting and auto-format on save exists in IDEs. Don't make things harder on yourself.

[-] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

I have a plugin in VSCode to remind me not to forget the semicolons

[-] arudesalad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago

I was taught python by my school but I would rather write in other languages but the difference in formatting still gets me after years

[-] Daxtron2@startrek.website 1 points 6 months ago

can I interest you in some delicious linters

[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago

Folks acting like Python is the only language without semicolons. 😏

I got tripped up so many time in the last 3 weeks using PHP after years in ML family languages. I am already newlining & it’d be poor style to put more than one statement on a line so what is the point of these semicolons?

[-] palordrolap@kbin.social 19 points 6 months ago

In some languages
a newline does not
necessarily indicate
the end of a statement.

In others, sometimes it could, but would leave things ambiguous
as to whether the statement was ended or not.

And so, punctuation is necessary.

[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago

But newlines + indentation are supported by a lot of languages & when it is, it’s easier to read since the prevailing convention is already to newline, then in indent. When you follow the usual coding styles or autoformatted & removed the semicolons, you’ve gained nothing for readability & added noise. I much prefer the languages that take this convention & bake it in so you don’t have to have that that visual noise—and in these languages, I never felt the parsing rules were ambiguous.

[-] pixelscript@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 months ago

it’d be poor style to put more than one statement on a line

Unlike Python, most languages do not endorse a specific concept of style. You're free to dabble in all the bad style choices you like, on the off chance that once in a blue moon they prove to be situationally useful.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Why haven't custom parsers become more of a thing? All the compiler or interpreter really needs is a valid parse tree. You could even have some kind of special command or directive to switch styles, if a section would be really ugly otherwise.

[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

With indentation-based languages the bad coding style we are talking about is putting multiple statements on a line or unindenting a block …& never has that been something I wanted to do. I would rather this aspect be enforced at the language for readability where there is still room in all other aspects to try out other styles.

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