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submitted 7 months ago by Pluto@hexbear.net to c/communism@lemmygrad.ml

cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/2340051

Yeesh

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[-] ProbablyKaffe@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

One of the members who skipped (anonymized):

They tried defending themselves on Twitter, saying they "didn't feel comfortable" meeting the President. It's no wonder why. I think all of the members who skipped are Miami gusanos part of the Trot/SAlt caucuses

[-] felipeforte@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 7 months ago

No need to anonymize them, we need to know their names, and who they are. We need to recognize our class traitors.

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 17 points 7 months ago

SAlt as in "Socialist Alternative"?

Yeah, they've always been wreckers and sectarians.

My Australian comrades hate a similar org called "Socialist Alternative" in, well, Australia; I think they have multiple branches, the most well-known being the one in America and, I think, the UK, correct me if I'm wrong.

[-] ProbablyKaffe@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 7 months ago

Yes that org. Their only success is Sawant's councilship in Seattle. Just another petty bourg "socialist" org.

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 6 points 7 months ago
[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 3 points 7 months ago

It's disappointing to see them doing this shit because Sawant is actually really good by US standards and they should just stick to local politics if that is all they are good for and never ever be allowed to represent anything on the international level.

[-] bleepingblorp@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 7 months ago

The original post isn't about Socialist Alternative though? Those caucuses belong to the DSA (Democratic Socialists of Amerikkka).

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 7 months ago

Oh great, 4th generation gusano still can't overcome the generational trauma of losing land and slaves

[-] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 7 months ago

Fuck DSA, I hope they are never welcome in Cuba again.

[-] Jabril@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 7 months ago

DSA is the true FEDiverse

[-] taiphlosion@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 7 months ago

Yeah we tore them to pieces like twice lol this shit still makes me mad.

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 8 points 7 months ago
[-] tarbeez@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 7 months ago
[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago
[-] tarbeez@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 7 months ago

No need when they put the jackets on by themselves, knowingly or not.

People who get rhetorically close but don't cross were never going to in the first place.

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net -1 points 7 months ago

Even so, wantonly fed-jacketing can ruin a community and has been done by actual feds.

[-] tarbeez@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 7 months ago

Hmm. You gotta expain this one to me. Calling out these bozos (it's your post tho?) will ruin which community?

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net -2 points 7 months ago

In the past, feds would fed-jacket communists in order to divide the community and start witch-hunts against fellow comrades, turning comrades against comrades.

This happened especially during the 60s/70s.

And in other eras.

It's a common FBI tactic.

[-] OhHiMarx@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 7 months ago

So no one can be called a Fed even if they do the most Fed-like things?

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net -3 points 7 months ago

Not unless we know for sure.

[-] tarbeez@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

...right. I understand the concept, but cheers. I fail to see how it applies here. To a post criticising a socialist group for being undercover libs, the oppest of ops lol. A post you submitted mind. Come on.

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 3 points 7 months ago

It's not right to wantonly call others feds if we don't have enough information. Come on now, comrade.

[-] tarbeez@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 7 months ago
[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 7 months ago

There's a difference between fed jacketing DSA and fed jacketing named individuals. DSA is absolutely infiltrated.

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago

Every org is infiltrated.

[-] Comprehensive49@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 7 months ago

It doesn't really matter whether we do or not. These kinds of people are utterly useless and treacherous all the same.

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 0 points 7 months ago

There are many good comrades in DSA.

It matters because it shouldn't be normalized.

[-] Comprehensive49@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Full article is linked here

It seems Red Star is the only caucus in the DSA with decent revolutionary socialist politics, at least according to this overview.

Socialist Majority and Reform&Revolution are both Democrat aligned caucuses. Even worse, they are the two largest caucuses in the DSA.

This issue reflects the fundamentally treacherous nature of the USA white settler left as discussed by J Sakai in his book Settlers, which is mostly only interested in increasing its own share of the colonial spoils rather than actual international liberation.

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Settlers is a bad book though. Read Hinterland.

[-] starkillerfish@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 7 months ago

why is settlers a bad book?

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 6 points 7 months ago

It was written in 1979 and contradicted by other books. It's only one book.

Read all the books.

[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 7 months ago

It’s definitely worth reading, but you should also read more up to date books that aren’t totally blackpilled.

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