One of the things you're seeing these days are apps made with bloated frameworks, so they're cross-platform and easy to develop. In theory it's great that anyone can make an app for any device with little-to-no code required, but it results in apps with absurd load times, ad bloat, and usability problems. And that's across the board (though FOSS seems to buck that trend a bit still).

As an example, my kid's school uses an app called Seesaw. It's straight-up garbage. It takes several seconds to open, the back button doesn't work, etc. At least it's not littered with ads, but it's a small mercy.

The web is experiencing the same thing. 60MB of ad services being loaded with every click, ads taking up 90% of screen real estate, slow everything, etc. I use some older hardware, but even websites that are mostly text are unusable without a strict adblocker. Not just annoying to use, but completely unusable.

These big frameworks were developed for large, high-traffic sites like Facebook. In theory, they'll work for your AI-generated blog, but they'll suck to load if you host them with a $5/month hosting plan and load 300 ad-related things on each page.

The solution is to create native apps and websites, or at least use frameworks appropriate to the task. But that would require people to give a shit, so I don't see that happening often outside of FOSS projects (which are often a labor of love).

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

I’d argue that you’re speaking on app development in general. Your complaints are universal outside of foss.

I know that this is besides the point, but you know that there is an included document scanner in iOS right?

You can go to files, tap the three dots at the top right and there it says „scan documents“

I think most people in here are overthinking things. The simple fact is all the low hanging fruit apps were created a long time ago. There just isn't much left to do with apps anymore, particularly from an independent developer perspective. So what you have now is a bunch of new developers recreating the wheel trying to make a buck with ads or tricking people into subscriptions after a free trial.

Apple promotes subscription based apps since they get 30% of that fee, simple as that. I have no idea how to fight against that. I used Google to look for free or buy to own apps before but Google sucks now too.

The ushering of the $1 price point did it. Most apps aren't worth even that, so the developers struggle to make ends meet, resorting to subs and ads to make it work. Even the 'legitimate' app developers suffer because a $60 app looks ridiculous in a sea of $1s, so they have to swallow the pill and undercharge, hoping the volume would make up for it. It's sad, and given that most successful apps aren't the first from a developer, and well, you get the picture.

Oh. The 'idea' guys and the app store get their cut, regardless.

to more active Apple users whats your way to find high quality Apps?

I search the name or type of app. Or look through threads on here where someone asks, “what is your favorite iOS app,” or “what is the best app for X.”

I don’t think I’ve ever gone on the App Store hoping it would have good recommendations for new things to look at. Do people find good apps that way? 99.9% of the time opening an App Store I smash the search button so nothing loads and search for the app I want.

I rarely touch the App store to "find" something. If I discover I need an App for something, that's when I just go grab it from the App store.

Trying to peruse the App Store is a nightmare. there are numerous things wrong with it, especially the rating systems and how ratings keep certain apps constantly in everyone's faces, despite getting horrible recent reviews.

Check your previously purchased and installed apps to get back non-shit stuff.

Yup pretty much. Everything is a laundry list of tracking and “live ops” that’s meant to basically consume your entire life. Games are all gated by time barriers unless you pay.

Everything is a subscription and most are ridiculously priced that if you subbed to 8 of them, you’d be out near $100 a month! For a handful of apps!

Apple never cared about the long game. I guess just like every other company. All Cook cared about was dollars. And since they took 30% of everything, insanely priced subscriptions were like gold to them. They also span off browser extensions into pseudo-apps to further widen their reach.

Integrity and quality is absolute shit. Even in iOS. Every version feels like a beta with either graphical glitches or serious bugs. It’s like we’re regressing.

I haven’t been interested in app for almost a decade because there’s just nothing worth my time.

It’s honestly nice to know that there are others that feel the same. As that’s the only way we can hope to shift away from this shitshow of basic thievery.

This is crazy timing because I just had the mirror experience while trying to find a scanner app for an android phone I wanted to use around the house as a smart home remote. The play store was a dumpster fire. I bought the Quick Scan app (Dev is iSolid) on iOS and was willing to pay good money for one on the Android phone too, but every single scanner app on Android had ridiculous subscriptions. A few were $20 a month!

QuickScan is a great, free donationware scanner.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ocr-text-scanner-quickscan/id1513790291

It's really crazy how the only innovation we've seen the last decade from major tech companies is them making their products progressively worse for the consumers while they leech ever increasing amounts of data out of everything and hiding free features behind subscriptions. Hell man, I've had companies that I paid lifetime licenses for just completely break our agreement and roll out a subscription model, while also removing all of the features that made the product great to begin with (Spark email app).

forcing the devs to pay to launch their apps has it's drawbacks

At this point, I have all the third-party apps I need for stuff I care about unless someone on a podcast talks about something new. Apps on my main screen:

Reeder, Pocket, Simplenote, Deliveries, Plex, Alfred Remote, World Clock, Memmy (until it stops working and I have to switch), Netatmo, IMDb, Weather Strip, Shazam, Banking / Commerce stuff, WordWeb, Overcast, Proton Mail, Sky Guide, Timer+, JustWatch. Oh, and I've been meaning to switch from IMDb to Callsheet by Casey Newton. I just haven't built up the muscle memory to use it before I open IMDb.

It was always hard for developers to offer one-time payment in these low price ranges. People still expect constant development and get angry when you release a completely new app for version 2 and so on. It’s rare that this price model works. Things 3 is 6 years old and still great but for each device you pay a relatively high price up front and development is kinda slow. They made an amazing app from the start and there is not much more to expect, so that’s why people are happy. But I think they hit a niche with people wanting exactly that and nothing more. But I think these are the best apps because they make sure to release a complete product.

These apps do exist but they can’t be found in the hot mess that is the App Store front page. You kinda have to stumble over them.

I’m also not a fan of subscriptions. I understand why devs do it but many times they feel obligated to release new features and change everything which just makes the app more bloated. Or the apps are not really updated but you pay for the content, which is mostly the same stuff you can find for free somewhere else.

The Apple Store was and is a great example of enshittification. Apple has everyone locked into it, and they make it impossible to search for what many of us want: free, ad-free, and if possible open source. That shows their values, their values are not your values, and they never will be.

Anyone else sick of people posting in “Apple enthusiast” that start with I am not actively using any Apple products and then launches into a negative spiral?

This is not the sub for you. Go complain in a general tech sub, this is for people deep in the ecosystem not people looking in from the outside