So we should just not let the people currently sick have the cure? 🤔

Even in your analogy, curing any cancer today, even if it doesn't extend to future sufferers, is an improvement over curing no one. Because fuck cancer, and fuck student loans.

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

We should still do good things even if we can't do all the good things.

What I don't get, is that what moderates keep saying...

You know, the people that constantly shit on progressives and claim we don't want anything unless it's everything.

Isn't the whole moderate mission to take what we can get now and keep working for more? I'm not saying that's what they actually do, that's just their excuse for not fighting for more.

So shouldn't the ones pushing for loan forgiveness now and fixing the underlying issue later be the moderates?

Instead they say if we can't 100% fix the problem in perpetuity, we can't do anything.

Could also be "but we might give the cure to people who have cancer in the future, but nobody knows if the government will allow it"

So the people who could get relief should abstain because the door is shut on any legislation as long as the GOP are in power?

Awfully compassionate of you.

I'm on board, as long as we forcefully agree that cancelling the loans is a good thing - it's just NOT ENOUGH

Exactly , rather than only forgiving existing loans that should make education free and also forgive existing loans , and perhaps give people who have already paid off their loan some kind of stimulus check as a kind of recognition that their struggle was just as hard as everyone else's and they deserve a break too.

I'd settle for interest free loans tbh...

And then do it for personal homes, too.

The problem is colleges just will keep charging more because they know people will just keep getting them knowing the gov will cover it eventually. The fix isn't to have the gov. Cover some loans, it should be to stop letting colleges be run like a private sector.

Agreed. Tanks don't teach, don't heal, don't feed and don't pay pensions.

~~Fucking Putin~~

I'm approaching 40 and have three kids from 10yo to 1yo, and I'm still going to encourage them going to college, but in a way that makes sense for them. My wife and I both work at a community college, and there's no way our kids are going to go to a 4-year right out of high school (unless they get a full scholarship for something and already know exactly what they want to do).

Too many students don't know what they want to study, don't value the education, and drive themselves into too much debt. While I highly value the education and skills gained in a bachelor's program, there's no need to be going into debt at a university to take first- and second-year courses when community colleges are effectively free (in CA, anyway)

I mean the numbers still say that a bachelor's degree doubles or triples your lifetime earnings over a high school diploma. Moreover, an educated society benefits everyone. College is still the right move at every scale. What we need to do is make it a more equitable system.

A "cure" in this situation means an essentially guaranteed method of treatment. Cancers vary greatly, with some being benign, some being very treatable, and some being extremely deadly (at least with current technology).

Cancer, as far as I'm aware, goes into remission and isn't cured. Remission is when there isn't any detectable signs of a cancer mass or growth in your body. So imaging doesn't pick up any tumors, your blood work doesn't indicate any hormonal changes, and biopsies come back negative.

A cure would be like say there is no cancer and it won't come back. Remission is more like we have no evidence of cancer and x% of maintain that state for x years.

Fun fact: your body is constantly making cancerous cells, but you have the ability to detect and destroy them before they get out of hand. Keep that immune system strong.