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[-] candyman337@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I understand cheating is shitty but it would make a lot more sense for the teacher to make this a teachable moment about cheating, and to promote collaborative solutions, but also checking work you get from others.

A huge part of development is copying code and reusing code from libraries. The important part is that you know how the code you copy works.

[-] EmilyIsTrans@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Their teachable moment is that plagiarism has consequences, and they earned that lesson entirely by themselves.

[-] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Sure, but as a general rule the carrot is a better incentive than the stick.

[-] Turun@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago

Let's not pretend these are kids who have a test for their first time. They all were told to not cheat and that cheating would lead to expulsion.

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I refuse to feel bad knowing that chances are they have been given an opportunity that many others would never get.

[-] MashedTech@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago
[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

The important part is that you know how the code you copy works.

[-] spiderman@ani.social 1 points 1 year ago

i wish my deadlines are not hard enough so that i could actually take time to learn everything from the code i copy.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

"Teachable moments" are for freshmen. Cheating seniors can get fucked.

On a very related note, I actually earned my CS degree.

[-] sexual_tomato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

As someone who only cheated in one class because the professor was a lazy fuck and assigned 5 hours worth of problems for a 1 hour exam with no regard to whether it was completable, I agree. The whole class cheated, because they had to. We actually all knew the material really well because distributing that material across 20 students was still iffy on time.

He's dead now, the lazy fuck. Fuck you Dr. Aung.

[-] sxan@midwest.social 8 points 1 year ago

On the one hand: awww, poor cheater world's smallest violin meme

On the other hand: expulsion from the university for a first offense seems... harsh.

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

universities take plagiarism very seriously. Friend of mine teaches stage craft (how to make sets, props, costumes, lighting and sound design/planning/execution/engineering)

First semester, first test, easy pass: Someone pokes their head into the class and my friend goes to the door to answer them, stepping outside for like ~30 seconds

comes to mark the papers:

"In a proscenium theater, what is the very front of the stage called?"

Real answer: apron

55% of the student answers: the same made up word that sounded vaguely Portuguese with no hits on Google.

even though it's super dumb and super easy and barely matters at all and is a one word answer to a basic question - the students ended up being investigated by the university and my friend had all his classes audited.

[-] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I may be dumb, but to clarify: they were assumed cheating because the word was fake, and the only reason for so many duplicated fake answers would be if they shared a faulty answer sheet. Right?

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

yeah, I mean a forgivable wrong answer would be "downstage center" "the front" "the lip" "limelights" "footlights" "wing" "leg" "curtain" "pit" - like close but wrong terminology or similar guesses.

The fact that loads of them said the same weird wrong answer was very sus.

[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Cheating is taken VERY seriously at every decent University. As it should.

[-] Senshi@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Still, cheating to some extent exists everywhere. This just weeds out the real lazy or stupid cheaters. Which is also some kind of quality check, I guess.

To cheat properly, I've has to be a bit clever and shrewd, which is a valuable character trait. Maybe not the most moral one, but real life isn't all moral either. 🤷‍♂️

Sometimes the best and most efficient solutions are created by just cleverly combining the work of others.

[-] firewood010@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I hope my Uni had this. I have never cheated, but cheaters sometimes have better grades than me.

[-] sxan@midwest.social -1 points 1 year ago

I guess that would harm you if the class is graded on a curve. I'm not saying they shouldn't be caught and penalized, only that expulsion from the university is a harsh penalty. Automatic failure of the class would hurt plenty, without utterly destroying someone's life.

[-] firewood010@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It is not harsh. Cheating is immoral and unfair, and every adult knows that. It is in nature a forgery of your degree. Honesty needs to be highly valued and respected. We have cooperations and politicians lying everyday because of this.

[-] MycelialMass@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Nah fuck em

I'm going to allege that such "educational" institutions' focus on "cheating" is harmful and dangerous for their students.

I'm a flight instructor. Students would show up to my class actually afraid to be caught writing things down to refer to them later. They were afraid to be caught using checklists. They would overwhelm themselves trying to commit entire technical manuals to memory. That's not how anything actually works. The FAA prints all these references so pilots can read them. We don't take them away from you when you pass your practical.

Checklist usage in the cockpit is a required skill to pass a practical test. The examiner has to see you using a checklist during the test in order to pass you. Writing things down so you can refer to them later, like flight planning and ATC clearances, also a required skill. Schools make people afraid to do these things.

If you've got a kneeboard that has the tower light gun signal chart printed on it, and you lose the radio and need light gun signals, you're not going to have your license taken away from you if you use that quick reference. Too many students bring that pressure into flight training with them. It's a fun bit of deprogramming to do.

[-] zazo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

when a professor does this they're "based" and "brainpilled" but when I pretend to sell crack on the benches outside, all of a sudden the judge claims it's "entrapment" and "illegal" smh....

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

At this point I'm only hoping to emerge from the other side of the "based" fad although I've never understood what it meant. WTaF is "brain pilled"?

Groovy. Tubular. Fetch.

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Here's the real answer for based:

"Based" (corruption of base head - from someone who smokes base - street name for crack cocaine) was popular as an insult in rap / African American circles in the early 00s

Rapper Lil B got called it and decided on a whim to pretend the meaning was changed to mean something positive, started using it in this way, it caught on - mostly through the new York scene and its attendant twitter following

As all slang does in the last ~100-150 years, passed from black people to everyone.


Brain pilled is a reference to The Matrix f/t Keanu Reeves in which Morpheus - whose namesake is the God of dreams - offers to wake up Neo from his fake reality by taking the red pill - leading to the phrase "red pilled" meaning (a right wing variant of) "woke." 

Over time [x]-pilled became slang like how Watergate/ [x]-gate became a suffix to imply an imbrolglio.
[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Historically based and KnowYourMeme-pilled

[-] renzev@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I always thought "based" was a contraction of "based on facts and logic" (or similar)

[-] randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

Cheating in academia is the name of the game. There is a survivor bias here assuming the other 78 students didn't cheat. They're Learning how to not get caught. Building a better trap may simply yield a better better cheater. The proof ends up being in the work.

I still think honeypots are amusing AF.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

At a certain point though, you've just plain done the work. If you jump through enough hoops to cheat then you have to know the material well enough. Like doing a bunch of editing passes on downloaded papers.

[-] tostiman@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago
[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Teacher's Assistant/Teaching Aide

Basically an older student helping teach the younger ones as a parttime job. Generally involves a lot of crappy work like supervising labwork, helping out with grading and answering the same question 18 times.

Can be real fun though and often you get deeper insight into the subject than just attending a class or gain valuable connections into the institute.

[-] Boomslang@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This is equal part fucked up and you get what's fucking coming to you

This is why fizzbuzz exists

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You are the Devil.

I mean you really are, you tempted people into sin and then laughed as they were damned for it.

[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Wish more teachers had that dedication to something, in general.

[-] Turun@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

At university most teachers have serious dedication. It's just not for teaching, lmao.

But once you do your thesis, discussion in their respective fields of research or general expertise is really awesome.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

It’s just not for teaching, lmao.

Exactly. The "Ugh, these annoying students are keeping me from doing something useful" is very strong with some of them.

[-] Magrath@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

Isn't this basically the same thing as entrapment?

[-] scutiger@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Entrapment is coercing someone into committing a crime they wouldn't have otherwise.

This was a honeypot. A bait for those who were already looking to cheat.

[-] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's no evidence that those who cheated were already going to.

The prof said it was only suspected that students were cheating, and instead of investigating and collecting evidence, he fabricated evidence through his own encouragement of the same crime he seeks to denounce.

[-] Strykker@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago

Entrapment is basically associated with an implied threat, with that threat people do things they normally wouldn't, if there was no threat then it's less likely to be considered entrapment.

Also entrapment only matters for criminal justice, you getting fucked at university for cheating isn't going to care about how entrapment works.

[-] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

I didn't mean to argue that it's entrapment specifically. I do think that the prof was in wrong, though.

[-] nao@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

Mfw anon starts greentext with "be me". Can’t you find another opener.

No, that's the format.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 points 1 year ago

Be someone else

Doesn't have quite the same ring.

[-] Artyom@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's entrapment. If it's illegal for a cop to make an arrest like that, the professor shouldn't be able to get people expelled like that.

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