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While the prosecutor’s statement did not mention Israel, it was issued after Israeli and US officials have warned of consequences against the ICC if it issues arrest warrants over Israel’s war on Gaza.

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[-] tearsintherain@leminal.space 33 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

...after Israeli and US officials have warned of consequences against the ICC...

Don't you do it! Don't you do the right thing and call out the war crimes on display globally!!!

Future textbooks: File under failures of liberal democracies which hastened their decline. Lack of moral compass.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago

Issue the arrest warrants.

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

Fuck me. The US are threatening the ICC. JFC

[-] ture@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 months ago

Not that new given that a law informally called the "The Hague Invasion Act" exists for more then 20 years and it's only purpose is being a threat to the ICC .

Wikipedia: American Service-Members' Protection Act

[-] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 5 months ago

Nothing tells "we're the good guys" than threatening violence if someone doubts your intentions.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago

We are the fucking bad guys

[-] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 5 months ago

For a long time now.

[-] credo@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

What muscle lies behind the ICC? Genuinely asking.

[-] livus@kbin.social 23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

What muscle lies behind the ICC?

The 124 countries on this list.

Unfortunately as you can see from a glance at the linked map, although much of the world is on board with it, the US and China refuse, and the rest of us are not militarily strong enough to stop them from carrying out or supporting war crimes. The usual story of this is why we can't have nice things.

Note that the ICC is a court of last resort, it was set up for cases where people lacked the power or the infrastructure to try cases of crimes against humanity etc in their local jurisdictions.

It's an admirable project and the world needs it.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago
[-] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago
[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Well the way it's worked in the past if the country they live in won't cooperate is, if they travel the destination country will arrest them. But that's really just the cherry on top as far as international politics are concerned. Once a leader is officially labeled a War Criminal it's shockingly easy to sanction them, their country, and their organizations. And basically turn their country into how Iran gets treated. So the consequences are farther reaching than just whether or not Netanyahu actually gets arrested.

Right now Israeli and American diplomats are probably planning -

A. How to prevent an adverse ruling

B. How to prevent Netanyahu from being held personally responsible so he can jettison some people and move on.

C. How to survive a worst case ruling.

In no world is Biden planning to cut Israel loose. But it could easily turn into a full blown campaign issue in 2028.

[-] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

This is interesting.

What happens if a country's leader is labeled a war criminal, but the US and its allies refuse to sanction it?

There have been multiple instances where Israel's allies have refused to vote against it at the UN, and if that doesn't make a difference, the US has vetoed any vote.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

We just might find out. From my perspective it's a very interesting thing to watch.

[-] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

I'm with you.

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