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[-] Feweroptions@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago

Alternatively, all of nature can be explained by mathematics, rather then being based on it.

[-] SwallowsDick@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Yeah I was gonna say, mathematics is the human interpretation of naturally occurring proportions

[-] herrwoland@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

One, Mathematics is the language of nature. Two, Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers. Three: If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns everywhere in nature.

Edit: it's a quote from this excellent movie, pi: https://youtu.be/yRjkQT9xLZs

[-] quazar@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Eh, no. Mathematics is an hallucination of ours we are trying to desperately map onto reality. I say this as a mathematician. When you look out into our reality, you know what we see? A curved universe. There is nothing in our reality that is truely STRAIGHT.

YET, we creatures came up with such an unnatural thing as a straight line. Straight lines are a uniquely human hallucination. Its the logic we use to make sense of the world, but its a Rorschach test of our own making. You are attaching meaning to it because thats what our brains do. generate meaning out of chaos.

I need to look no further than pi, which is a number that represents our feeble attempts to push the round universe into our square heads. Its trying to represent the curved universe as a straight line (and visavers) - and reality said : LOL, NOPE!! YOU get a number that is more illusive than the irrationals. A never ending non patterned number.

All of nature is not based on mathematics. Mathematics is the language we use to describe nature. Thats like saying the Grand Canyon is BASED on book describing the Grand Canyon.

1.) No its not. Its our language, not nature's.

2.) To a degree, yes. But thats because our brains are pattern seeking and pattern generating machines - not because nature follows a system WE made up.

3.) Did I mention Pi yet

Here

https://i.imgur.com/a5ueCi5.jpg

THIS is a graph of a discovery that I made in number theory. Does it look like it has a pattern to you? I think this is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen, because IT MAKES NO SENSE. which means, we still have a lot to discover and learn

[-] SwallowsDick@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

draws a straight line

"Fuck you, God"

[-] quazar@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I ❤️ this so much. Thank you 😁

[-] herrwoland@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Such a fascinating read, definitely changed my perception about mathematics and the world, I'm probably going to remember your view about the world time by time in the future. What makes your comment all the more interesting is that what I wrote was a quote from the movie "pi" which is about a mathematician. You've probably watched it but if you haven't I really think you should check it out.

[-] SwallowsDick@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

This could be a new modifiable copypasta

[-] Mobilityfuture@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Hey Quazar,

Great point and post. Any math + philosophy reddits you know of on Lemme?

[-] quazar@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

reddits on Lemmy

Its going to be hard changing our vernacular

and no. If you know of any, lemme know

[-] Mobilityfuture@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah… I thought about it… and couldn’t be bothered to figure it out. Keep me posted though Quazar - maybe we can get one started.

[-] Ookami38@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago

Literally everything ever has patterns that emerge as soon as you start looking for them. Math is only the "language of nature" in that the entire idea behind mathematics is that is must be consistent, otherwise it's just useless.

Basically, math deroved from the universe (specifically our study of it), and not the other way around.

[-] 0uterzenith@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Then why I, as part of nature, is dumb as shit in math? Checkmate matheists

[-] Pitri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago

mathematics is a human language/system.

nature just follows the laws and quirks this universe has. the plants, animals and subatomic particles will keep doing the same, regardless if we have a tool or theory that can describe what they're doing.

sure, there are patterns everywhere in nature, but i would not go as far as to say that that makes mathematics a language of nature.

[-] Buttermilk@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

I would say there is no language of nature; there are things that happen, and we can approximate what happens using math. Math can be used to describe basically anything, so the fact that we can understand these things through numbers is not extraordinary.

[-] sauerkraus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

I would say all language are natural. Even mathematics.

[-] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 0 points 2 years ago

Esperanto, Volapük and Elvish beg to differ 😛

[-] sauerkraus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Art and humour are inevitable consequences of sentient animals having the capability to create them.

I think of it like squares and rectangles. Everything created by humans is natural, but only a fraction of natural things are created by humans.

There is a natural progression from some particles colliding at the beginning of the universe all the way to low effort memes being posted on Lemmy.

[-] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 0 points 2 years ago

You're operating with a RIDICULOUSLY overbroad definition of "natural" that includes pretty much everything artificial 🤦

[-] sauerkraus@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Is it not natural for humans to create artificial tools?

[-] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 0 points 2 years ago

The action may come naturally, but the tools are by definition man-made and thus artificial.

[-] sauerkraus@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Yes. Man-made and artificial things are natural.

[-] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 0 points 2 years ago

I can't tell if you're a troll or you genuinely don't know how language works, what words mean 🤦

[-] sauerkraus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

My bad. I didn’t know philosophy was unwelcome here.

[-] plsletmelogin@lemmy.fmhy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

So, what about the stock market? The universe of numbers that represents the global economy. Millions of hands at work, billions of minds.

Great movie.

[-] quazar@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Economics is not math, its a religion.

[-] plsletmelogin@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

The guy I'm replying to and i are quoting a movie about a troubled mathematician searching for a pattern in the stock market.

That aside, I disagree with your assertion that economics is a religion. I agree it's not math though. It uses math to form models for predictive/descriptive purposes, as do a lot of disciplines.

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[-] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Someone building the simulation was like “yeah, let’s simulate diarrhea and make people have it just for funsies”.

[-] herrwoland@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

-boner code is buggy and triggers for no reason sometimes

-whatever ship it

[-] SinJab0n@mujico.org 1 points 2 years ago

The Sims new dlc

[-] jerrimu@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Incorrect, of course the universal language we use to describe nature is everywhere in nature.

[-] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Well of course does the universal language we developed describe things universally

[-] stivik@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This reminds me of a comment, I read a long time ago.

It was something like this: "I played The Sims, and everything was business as usual, my Sims went to University, and got a degree in Computer Science until they proved they live in a simulation. I stopped playing Sims for that night."

[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 years ago

Also explains why the world is so fucked up and how fascism can take. Also explains why there so many assholes in the world. Most people at some point play evil when they played Sims. Weather it was the simple version and you cause tornadoes to tear through your city. Our the more modern versions. I seen clips were players would lock a character in a doorless room. Or take away the ladder in the pool and the character would drown.

There other examples but it maybe why Trump is so popular in America and why so many people that actually want the world to burn and enjoy fucking up the environment.

Some things I think about occasionally. So should you.

[-] BlackSpasmodic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago

Nah I don't think so. What people do in a simulation can approximate what they'd do in real life with no consequences but in real life there are always consequences. And most people need to see themselves as the hero in their own story so they won't do things that they perceive as evil.

It seems to me that most individual people think they are right in whatever they're doing. Including voting for Trump, being hateful, etc.

[-] Buttermilk@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Three tress just sitting there in someone's yard

HOLY SHIT, Look at that, there's exactly three trees, its like it's reality is based on math or something :O

[-] flashgnash@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

But... We invented mathematics in order to understand nature

[-] rockstarpirate@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Well, if we are in a simulation, there is very likely an admin ;)

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[-] AllGoesUpMustGoDown@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Best form there is!

[-] STUPIDVIPGUY@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Our "universe" simultaneously is and is not a simulation because reality is relative to the seer. It's a fun thing to think about but pointless due to our limited understanding on what would make one universe 'real' and another a 'simulation', since really they're one and the same, just at different scales. It is interesting to think about though whether or not our universe has a parent universe which it exists inside of. And if so how deep that nesting goes. If our universe isn't contained inside something else, does that mean our universe simply is everything? No way to really know.

[-] 666dollarfootlong@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I sometimes like to think that, for another being, the earth is the size of an atom, and that humans are kind of like bacteria

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