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submitted 5 months ago by LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/linux@lemmy.ml

Hey y'all

So I've been a big anti-Wayland shill around here but decided to finally give it a shot, I installed Debian 12 with GNOME, and can't seem to get Plank working.

Without the Plank dock, GNOME is unusable, and KDE refuses to autostart Guake (does not save the setting in autostart), and when it works it seems broken (stuck to the left side of the screen).

These are fundamental apps to me for any decent Linux laptop use. What gives? Is there an alternative?

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[-] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Dash-to-Plank specifically says it does not support Wayland. Plank has had an issue open about Wayland support since 2016, and they still haven't done it. Can't blame Wayland.

What's your use case for Plank? My guess is you're using GNOME wrong.

[-] Altomes@lemm.ee 16 points 5 months ago
[-] antsu@lemmy.wtf 12 points 5 months ago

Just echoing what others said, Plank does not run on Wayland. You can install the "Dash to Dock" Gnome extension for a very similar experience (minus widgets). If using KDE, consider replacing Guake (which is GTK) with Yakuake (Qt).

[-] its_me_gb@feddit.uk 8 points 5 months ago

You could try Yakuake instead of Guake in KDE?

[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago

Sure! Is it missing any features from Guake, or is it just some clone fork?

[-] optissima@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Pretty sure Yakuake is the OG?

[-] leopold@lemmy.kde.social 3 points 5 months ago

Well, technically the OG would be Quake, but Yakuake did come before Guake.

[-] optissima@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Yeah fair point

[-] its_me_gb@feddit.uk 3 points 5 months ago

I'm afraid that I've never used either Guake or Yakuake so I don't know either of their feature sets 😁

[-] leopold@lemmy.kde.social 2 points 5 months ago

Neither is a fork of the other, but Yakuake came first. I assume it has more features, since that's how it usually goes with KDE apps vs GNOME apps. Haven't tried Guake, tho.

[-] bbbhltz@beehaw.org 7 points 5 months ago

Hi,

It it possible that Plank doesn't work with Wayland, plain and simple.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/plank/+bug/1632841

The latest version dates back to 2019.

I think Dash to dock is used often.

For Guake the version in Bookworm is from 2022 and you may need to set an environmental variable or perhaps it isn't built with Wayland support on Debian.

You could hit up the Debian forums for a better answer.

[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The Dash to Plank dev doesn't want to support Wayland. You could use Dash to Panel or dash to dock instead, they've been the community favourites for years now.

Or of course you could use the standard Gnome workflow.

[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 5 months ago

I've never heard of either of these things and I've been in the community for decades, cheers. I only use Plank itself, not dash-to-x anything. I've no idea what that even means tbh as I'm an i3 user usually so I've been out of the GNOME game for a bit.

[-] leopold@lemmy.kde.social 3 points 5 months ago

if you're coming from i3, you may want to check out Sway instead.

[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago
[-] leopold@lemmy.kde.social 1 points 5 months ago

it's a drop-in replacement for i3 on wayland

[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago

Wayland doesn't even support i3? Jesus

[-] leopold@lemmy.kde.social 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

i3 doesn't support Wayland, not the other way around. It's an X11 window manager. Not sure why you would expect it to work on Wayland.

[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago

Oh I just thought if this change to Wayland is being pushed so hard by peeps here then that would mean at least the basics work on it haha, well that makes sense.

Not sure why

Don't really know what the technical differences are as I'm not a Linux expert by any means especially not when it comes to the relationship between the kernel and the display server, (Def gonna try to learn more with LFS soon tho!) or why Wayland hasn't added support for window managers yet.

Gonna have to stick with Xorg until the Wayland folks make Xorg software compatible

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 months ago

Plank would need to be rewritten

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