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Systemic problems require systemic solutions. Enough of this cop-out environmental policy of shifting blame to consumers, we need to put the onus on producers and importers.
Agreed. Why can I buy this t-shirt for $4.50? https://www.kmart.com.au/product/plain-crew-neck-tee-s140827/
Also those shirts are so shit that after a few dozen times of wearing the neck is all stretched and curly and look like crap that you essentially have to throw it out (or repurpose as a rag)
American here...is Kmart still a thing in Australia? That's kinda crazy to me. It all but died out many years ago here in the US. I'm not sure if there are any left.
It may or may not be the same company you're familiar with.
We've got a company called Target. Even has the same logo as your Target. But the two are actually entirely unrelated, apart from the fact that they seem to share the same name and logo. I wonder if Kmart might be a similar situation.
But yes, Kmart is very much still a thing. They're by a pretty wide margin our largest department store, I believe.
Oh wow. I suppose it's probably what you say - they share a logo and name but are completely separate otherwise.
Here they became synonymous with a worse version of things. Like saying that you bought the "Kmart version" would be a derogatory comment on an item's quality or imply it is a knockoff. That hastened their death spiral.
Absolutely - and there's way more of them now than 10 years ago! Shit quality, disposable, cheap stuff. Popular for clothes, homewares, small furniture, bits and pieces for around the house.
Australians buy on average 56 new garments a year or 14.8kg of textiles.
Excuse me what?! Does the average Australian buy an item of clothing more than once a week?
I doubt our family of four between us would purchase 56 items of clothing in a year. Maybe in the 40's (10ish items each)?
Maybe it’s socks.
Clearly the statistics include fast fashion georg
Seriously, I doubt I've bought 56 new garments over the last decade. If you include the clothes that I already owned as of 10 years ago, I have probably owned less than 3 years worth of garments over the last decade. It's not that I couldn't afford it, it's just...I don't know why I would throw away perfectly good clothes?
Maybe that is a household figure or something? Or maybe it's actually the total across the entire country divided by the population, which would include many pieces of clothing companies buy, not individuals?
And here I am contemplating if I should throw my 18 year old singlet out as it’s a bit ratty on the neckline now.
I’m very confused by this statistic
It would be interesting to know if returns were taken into account as well. I know these days certain brands will not only delivery the clothes you purchased to you, they will come and collect the clothes you decide you don't like. These clothes are sometimes repurposed but often just thrown out as well. The below article discussed this. I can remember seeing an article more specific to Aus a while back but this is the best I can find for now.
Edit: spelling and grammar
I definitely try to aim for more durable clothing. A lot of my friends are into op-shopping, but that only suits particular demographics and body types. I have a few friends that get flow hippy-wear which is apparently sustainably sourced material (whatever that means), but those clothes tend to be both more expensive and less durable. Also, more durable clothing tends to be warmer because of the heavier weave, which is making me dread summer (Perth). idk what do as an individual. (my shirt that I have 10 of says it is 100% cotton)
I think bamboo is a good up and coming fabric. Bamboo grows like a weed so it's pretty sustainable and I'd say it's pretty durable as well. I've got some bamboo work socks a couple of years ago and they are still going hard. Super soft and comfortable too.
I don't think there are heaps of options available in terms of shirts and shorts, pants, etc yet. I'd say the ones that are out there would be more expensive than polyester or even cotton. But hopefully as the industry grows they get cheaper.
Edit: I think bamboo breathes really well too. Well it at least seems to with those socks I have. So it could be a good fabric for hot weather too.
Can you machine wash it? A lot of textile "alternatives" that i see often tend to be listed as "hand wash only".
And weeds aren't a thing. It's just a term used for plants that people don't want in their gardens.
Contextually, "grows like a weed" means "grows really fast and hardily".
Bamboo is fine to machine wash as far as I know. At least I have always used the washing machine for it and all my stuff is fine.
To an extent I agree about your perspective on weeds themselves, the only thing I would argue is some plants are pretty invasive and can kill off others, so they are worth removing or at least keeping in check.
I have bamboo sheets and they are great for hotter weather. I find them quite cool.
Future op shops will probably one day be dreading the lack of retro cool clothes for their sweet as profits.
Wow that's a much bigger impact than I'd considered. Do you know the environmental cost of a cotton alternative? You seem like someone who might have that answer lol
I cant say for certain, but I can definitely speculate. I do know cotton requires a fair amount of water to grow, but I don't think it would use as many petrochemicals in the production. Though it would still use some, even if that is just in the supply chain through things like diesel for trucks and ships. The chemicals they use (like pesticides) may be derived from petrochemicals, but even if they aren't they could be damaging to the environment in many other ways. So I think polyester could have the greatest emissions of the two.
I guess it could depend on the scale of production too. Like if we were to try and replace all polyester clothing with cotton, that could have a massive impact due to the amount of land and water needed to produce such quantities of cotton clothing and such. But at the same time, creating clothes out of plastic isn't going so well either.
Ultimately we will probably still have to have some diversity materials for sustainable clothing production. It will really come down to a balance of land use, water use, what uses the least amount of chemicals, and probably a lot of other considerations.
It's complicated to calculate precisely, but cotton is widely considered to be almost as awful as polyester. Production takes up huge areas of land and a bunch of water, and the carbon footprint (depending on production type and how it's calculated) can end up being roughly the same as polyester. Here's a Guardian piece for more info.
There are some efforts to push for more sustainable cotton production, and it is making a change. So buying organic/sustainably sourced cotton could possibly half the climate footprint without any visible change to the material - it's not necessarily just a green washing marketing trick.
As with everything else, the best you can do is to make sure you don't buy more than you need, that you make sure to keep things as long as they can last, and repair them whenever possible. The lowest climate footprint you're going to get is obviously from the clothes already in your wardrobe; the follow-up is buying second hand. It's beyond obvious, but it bears repeating.
There's also the fact that cotton does not shed microplastics. Afaik textiles & car tires are part of the biggest contributors globally.
For clothes in general, I try to buy from proper brands now though. All those cheap brands might be a cheaper purchase, but in my experience they fall apart so quickly and are often also cut weirdly which does not make them fit well, that you always end up buying more than when you could've just gotten a better quality product (not talking about overpriced stuff where you pay premium for the brand name alone).
Yes. Some polyester products are better than others when it comes to shedding microplastic, but I guess at the end of the day it'll end up in a landfill anyway. The cotton will decompose, and I think I am also more likely to repair my cotton clothing.
I'm struggling a lot to find clothes where I'm satisfied with the quality. I try to avoid fast fashion and cheap products, but I also prefer buying clothes in stores rather than online. It's a market that's extremely hard to navigate, more often than not I'm underwhelmed by the quality, and just finding something that you can be reasonably sure wasn't produced in a sweatshop is challenging as hell.
My god do I hate this industry.
One certainly doesn't break down into microplastic though
I'm here still wearing a 20 year old Veritas t-shirt I got at a conference. I bought some warmer underwear when I moved from Australia to Canada. Nothing gets thrown out until it's worn transparent and then "thrown out" means moved to the garage to use as rags. I really really don't get the whole disposable fashion thing.
im doing my part by wearing visibly old and 'ratty' clothes. as long as its in one peice, it has a place. and if something somehow reaches the end of its genuine useful life, it goes into my rag bin for use as a rag (and here ive only thrown out a few rags that have exceeded their uses)
Carbon footprints are a joke.
Go after the companies pumping this harmful shit out, anything less is an attempted distraction from the cause.
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