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submitted 6 months ago by Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net to c/games@hexbear.net

The shopkeepers "Fuck vault dwellers" speech has my hopes up that this show won't be lib trash, but I dislike that the main girl is really Libby about Vault-Tec "Um actually you're technically stealing Vault-Tec property which is wrong" also lol at her still having perfect eyeliner after being in the wasteland for days.

And not liking how one of the "good guys" is a Brotherhood of Steel type, I really hope they don't make the Brotherhood a "good" faction because they kinda aren't.

I'm assuming it's a character arc thing and things become less lib later, here's hoping. Because this show is freaking awesome in every other aspect. They really nailed the tone and setting. The sets and props are so cool as well.

I'm assuming The Ghoul isn't as mean as he first appears because he didn't hurt that chicken, and he fixed up the dog.

sigh I miss @UlyssesT@hexbear.net, he would have had so much to say about this show.

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[-] Deadend@hexbear.net 46 points 6 months ago

The show will deliver.

The girl grew up in a vault under propaganda.

The brotherhood is not the fallout 3/4 branch.

Lucy wants to make the world better. Truly deeply, but has no understanding of the world or what better means.

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 18 points 6 months ago

Good, that's what I was hoping (that it's going to do some growth and these characters are going to have to examine the propaganda they've been raised on)

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

The brotherhood actually are partly the east coast branch. The airship is the one from 4.

[-] ComradeEchidna@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago

Fallout 4 says that Maxson reunited both east and west faction (no comment on semi-canon Midwest group from Tactics) to create the new fascist BoS in that game. Which is what is in the show.

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[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 31 points 6 months ago

i read the vault people more as smiling hitlerjugend than libs, all that talk about breeding & coming colonization of the surface

[-] peppersky@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago

yeah except in typical corporate brained bethesda manner they made the vault dwellers completely multi-ethnic, losing any resonance the whole thing might have to anything actually happening in the real world. Same thing as in Starfield where you have a faction of cowboy-larping-muh-taxes-libertarian-dudebros who are just as ethnically diverse as the san-francisco-liberal faction on the other side of the galaxy.

[-] RION@hexbear.net 7 points 6 months ago

losing any resonance the whole thing might have to anything actually happening in the real world

just because it doesn't replicate the exact racial dynamics of historical and contemporary colonization doesn't mean it doesn't have anything to say about it

that's like saying district 9 doesn't have anything to say about apartheid because it's being used against aliens

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[-] Red_Eclipse@hexbear.net 31 points 6 months ago

Lucy gets better at the end. Or at least starts to lol.

I know Maximus is stuck in an evil cult but he's cute crush

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 15 points 6 months ago

He also displays sociopathic tendencies

[-] RION@hexbear.net 28 points 6 months ago

it's a character arc thing. honestly i think there's some great character work throughout the season

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 17 points 6 months ago

Oh thank god.

You never know these days whether an adaptation of satire understands the satire or is playing it straight

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 28 points 6 months ago

I was really happy with how the show turned out and the direction it took. I felt it really delivered, so don't be too worried. I had some similar concerns especially regarding the Brotherhood of Steel before watching, but the show gets that they're not good guys.

I thought theyvreally nailed it as an adaptation of the setting. My favorite thing about Fallout is that its not speculative fiction. Its not about a possible future, its about what people in the height of the Atomic Age thought the future would be. There's this massive contridiction in that period where on the one hand you have the height of Americana - that trademark psychotic optimism - and on the other hand the fear of nuclear annihilation. Fallout explores that contridiction - or rather resolves it by recognizing that the US is fascist. The show, i felt, got that and delievered.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 26 points 6 months ago

The Vault storyline is the best imo.

[-] TC_209@hexbear.net 22 points 6 months ago

I've watched the whole show and I think Lucy's character works. She's ignorant and she gets a few big doses of reality along the way -- a good vault dweller in the tradition of the Vault Dweller from Fallout 1 or the Lone Wanderer from Fallout 3.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I hated the first few episodes, started to like it in the second half, and then hated the last episode. Imo most of the interesting stuff happens either in flashbacks or is implied off-screen. She becomes a bit more of a realist but still stays a "good" person.

As an aside I find the weird way it engages in fanservice intriguing. Like, yeah, look at all the power armor and vertibirds, or some guy has a 10mm pistol, oooh stimpaks. But it doesn't go full out. Ghoul man has a weird subsonic revolver thing that's not in any games that I remember. The Boneyard, The Hub, Vault City? Never heard of 'em.

[-] peppersky@hexbear.net 13 points 6 months ago

The Boneyard, The Hub, Vault City? Never heard of 'em.

Neither have the writers of this show. You'd be kidding yourself if you thought they used anything pre-Fallout 3 for reference for this show.

[-] ComradeEchidna@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago

The game takes place only around LA. The Shady Sands depicted should have been the Boneyard (the only way it makes sense if they moved the government from the location from 2 and took the name with it). The hub was more north but should be mentioned as it was still big. Vault city is much further away. It’s even above San Francisco (another settlement) in latitude which is 600km from LA by road.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Imo they really just didn't care about scale or where things were at all. There's a lot of wandering around but not a lot of things because they'd rather not worry about it.

spoilerAlso Kyle Mclachlan makes it to New Vegas in 30 seconds (sort of).

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago

She goes through a lot in eight episodes and has abandoned her Vault-Tec brand naivete by the end for very good reasons

[-] peppersky@hexbear.net 17 points 6 months ago

If you look at the show on its own it's totally fine entertainment (way better than anything westworld certainly), but as an adaptation of a videogame series called Fallout it takes out everything that might make an adaptation of that series interesting while also making the source material much less interesting and resonant in the process. I might do a longer write-down at some point if I feel like it, but it's 100 percent "Bethesda™s Fallout: Skyrim with Guns Edition" taking over the series and its lore. There is some stuff that is good and works (the brotherhood guy is exactly the type of facist dudebro the brotherhood would create) but also so much of it just feels like corporate-brained nonsense.

[-] Nacarbac@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago

the brotherhood guy is exactly the type of facist dudebro the brotherhood would create

True, but that just makes him a weirder choice, because he brings essentially nothing to the story - his character development has been mostly him falling for Lucy, therefore coincidentally doing Good Thing, and looking glum when asked "what if the Brotherhood... is the Brother-no-good?" because his character is written as ignorant and uncommunicative, leaving him incapable of expressing reasons or arguments for his actions (outside of the excellent acting - his expressions as he relishes his newfound power were perfect).

...wait, he's just the first ten minutes of Finn from Star Wars dragged out over a season.

[-] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 15 points 6 months ago

My head canon is that anything todd howard touches is not canon, and because feminism ruined gaming i literally can't enjoy anything without seething over the treatment of women within the text.

have fun :)

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago

I-was-saying I like feminism

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 7 points 6 months ago

My head canon is that anything todd howard touches is not canon,

This but unironically!

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

the main girl is really Libby about Vault-Tec "Um actually you're technically stealing Vault-Tec property which is wrong"

Haven't watched the show and probably won't, but pretty realistic that the "Umm, you're costing the company money by pirating" dorks would persist even through an apocalypse.

[-] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 4 points 6 months ago

I'm watching it today this is what I saw popped up that convinced me it has some substance to try jt.

https://youtu.be/g1kfg1Ha5Rs?si=BVgja8liUI07I3pw

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