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submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by lgsp@feddit.it to c/fuck_cars@lemmy.ml

Milan has 51 cars for 100 inhabitants, which is the double of other big cities in Europe, like Madrid (291,3) o Paris (225,2). One of the consequences is that traffic is terrible, and Milan is, for example, one of the worst cities on TomTom traffic index

Another big consequence is that motorists will park cars everywhere, because the number of legal on-street parking spots much lower than needed (the number of on-street parking spots is already much higher than other similar European cities) . If you have ever been in Milan, you would know that you can find cars parked on the sidewalks, on the bike lanes, between the trees at the side of the road, on zebra crossings, at the corners of intersections, at the bus stops, double parked (take a look at the pictures in this article to get an idea). This is a big issue, because people with reduced mobility, parents with strollers, people with sight issues are strongly impaired by this situation. Moreover an average of 5 times every day, public transit (trams and buses) gets stuck because of some really badly parked car, causing delays for tens or hundreds of people.

The administration is not willing to help and tolerates the status without doing much except the worst situations. They fear that this will impact their popularity, and may lose next elections. It is a well known fact that getting a ticket for illegal parking is so rare, that it costs less than a legal payed parking spot!

People was so fed up with the situation that and association called "Sai che puoi?" was able to organize an event to count and map illegally parked cars during the night of May 16th. It took a long time and effort, with some tests on a few blocks performed in the past. They also did a great social campaign with posts and videos like this one , and developed a web app on purpose.

The results were astonishing: 2000 people took part, and were able to walk all the 1700 km of the 3780 streets in the city and count illegally parked cars, divided by parking location (on the street, on the sidewalks, between the trees)

the streets of Milan turned green because all of them were part of the count at the end

Results:

  • 64000 illegally parked cars (during the day the situation gets even worse, with people coming from outside the city!)
    • 37000 on the street
    • 15000 on the sidewalks
    • 11000 on the grass or between the trees

This means that the city administration could get 5.3 million euros of tickets in one night, which means the equivalent of 134000 public transit month tickets.

The final aim is to force the administration to act and do something. The idea is that neglecting the issue with such numbers should be more difficult.

I think this is a great story, and I never heard of something like this from anywhere else. I want to say thank you to the organizers and I would love to get this event known outside Italy

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[-] MattsAlt@hexbear.net 23 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Fed-up people

sicko-hexbear

Counted them

sicko-wistful

[-] lgsp@feddit.it 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yes burning them all would have been much more satisfying.

But we needed to know how many matches we needed to buy 😈

[-] Strider@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Pf, try Munich.

(a quick search reveals the ratio of inhabitants to cars to be similar and they're parking everywhere and it's just accepted bad behaviour)

[-] lgsp@feddit.it 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I have been in Munich... Not remotely comparable.

Did you see the pictures in the article below? They are not an exception. Cars are parked like this in all Milan, on all the streets.

https://blog.urbanfile.org/2024/05/20/milano-urbanistica-parcheggio-selvaggio-unauto-in-sosta-vietata-ogni-27-metri/

[-] Strider@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yeah those pictures do compare. I see it every day.

Just now someone parked a transporter in the middle of a turning area.

I can assume though that you've been at a location which does not show this.

[-] lgsp@feddit.it 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I don't know... I have been there twice in the last 4 years, and I went in many places (touristy and not, I was there for work, Just as examples: Truderinger Str. or Marsstraße are not so central) and never saw anything like that. For sure I didn't see cars parked on the bus stop or on the zebra crossings.

But anyway, with a similar car density (but people density is almost double in Milan) I am not be surprised that the situation is comparable in both places.

So, well, you should organize and count them too! I think that such a status is unacceptable independently of where it happens 🙂

[-] Strider@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Thank you for the good response, I appreciate it.

Truderinger has a lot of space in comparison to other streets so there's not much issue there, I think.

The marsstraße is kinda similar but more industrial.

I could see all those examples in various places here too. Also cars driving on pathways and so on. Maybe the density and amount of issues is different, I don't know, possibly.

What drives me mad here is the absolute inaction. The city even responds to requests with the risk of damage to cars (!!) instead of considering humans.

[-] lgsp@feddit.it 1 points 6 months ago

I was genuinely surprised, because what you wrote was really different from what I experienced. But my experience i Munich is objectively limited. I somehow hoped that Germany, and Munich (along with other European cities) could be used as a model of how to do things right.

What drives me mad here is the absolute inaction

Exactly, and all this stuff about counting the cars is to try to move something. I have not much hope honestly, but excluding violence and vandalism, I think this is as much as someone can do

The city even responds to requests with the risk of damage to cars (!!) instead of considering humans.

This is completely crazy. In Milan they justify bad parking by saying things like "it has always been like this" or "yeah, but you can go around it" etc. FFS, do your job!!

[-] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 1 points 6 months ago

They should try the NYC method. Pay people that submit evidence of illegal parking, paid back to the government by that person getting ticketed.

this post was submitted on 23 May 2024
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