Biden wants progressives to believe he’s reining in Israel. He isn’t. (www.theguardian.com)

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[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 21 points 5 months ago

Top Biden administration officials were spooked by criticism from Republicans in Congress and some pro-Israel Democratic party donors.

Of course, exactly the people they should be most sensitive to.

It's been a long term issue that politicians have been out of step with their constituents over Israel/Palestine.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 10 points 5 months ago

You know what’s weird that I just realized?

We constantly see news stories about polls of how people feel about the economy. It’s constantly of newsworthy interest.

I don’t think I’ve seen a single one about how they feel about the war in Israel. I just went looking, and found Gallup, Gallup, Pew Research (I.e. primary sources with no one writing stories about them), and then down below the info box there was an article from thehill.com saying the vast majority of Americans back Israel over Hamas.

(The Gallup poll said the war has a 36% approval rating. I suspect thehill.com used the exact “do you support Israel? Or Hamas?” framing that it sounds like they used)

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

There's a reason for the saying "it's the economy stupid".

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 3 points 5 months ago

Yeah, but no one’s having any massive demonstrations demanding a better economy, disrupting college graduations, shutting down the highway, it’s not like this huge national conversation like hey wtf is going on we demand that you do this differently

(Which, I mean, it should be, but that’s a separate issue)

I just think that it’s interesting that the economic polls serve a narrative, so the polls get reported. The actual economic numbers don’t really serve that narrative, and so up until pretty recently it was only the really highbrow sites that would even mention, how weird is this disconnect between how people see it and how it is. I think the Israel polls would also not serve the narrative (reporting that yes, a pretty large majority of the country is disgusted with Israel’s “war” and our support for it), and so it’s just this big void.

(It would also interfere with the “crazy protestors having their wacky ideas” narrative if they reported that most people agree with them)

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Silent majority (economy) vs squeaky wheel (Israel).

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

CNN had a bunch of stats today asking people what their #1 issue is, "The economy" was #1, "Inflation" #2 and Abortion a distant #3.

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/trump-trusted-biden-inflation-top-issue-voters-poll/story?id=110343680

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 3 points 5 months ago

If only the news would take some time to explain to them what’s going on with the economy and who is stealing their money, the same way they do when immigrants or students are the ones causing a problem

[-] oakey66@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Zeteo and data for progress just recently did polling on this. But you're right. Corporate media just manufactures consent for the horrors committed by the west.

https://zeteo.com/p/gaza-israel-genocide-poll-ceasefire-us-voters

[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

There is also no news of the extreme statements col E Nell has made at the end of SALT 2024.

I was partly assuming that to be a psiop to distract from the war. Now i dont know what to think but absolutely radio silence is so strange. What happening at our Media?

[-] rigatti@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Man, are you getting paid to spam these articles all day?

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 2 points 5 months ago

[-] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 months ago

Of course, they are obviously a russian chinese iranian antisemitic putin bot

[+] return2ozma@lemmy.world -9 points 5 months ago

Surprisingly, no. I just hate Biden. Y'all got the positive Biden stories covered already.

[-] aseriesoftubes@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

If Trump wins, I really hope you enjoy the unified reich.

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago

Don't blame the voters, blame the candidate if they lose to Trump. It's their job to earn the votes.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

Blame those who vote for him and those who refuse to vote because they can't accept the reality of the political system they have to deal with.

If you really cared about saving lives you wouldn't push people to make it so Trump will get elected, you're just pro-Trump but can't admit it.

[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago

I blame Democrats for someone like Trump being a viable candidate. Their bullshit 'lesser evil' mentality over 50 years has enabled this result. Instead of holding your party and it's politicians accountable dem voters strike out at anyone trying to do your job, exactly like what's happening with Biden. Voters have allowed their party to continue shifting to the right so much they are to the right of Reagan Republicans.

Stop demanding leftists bail you out of a mess democrats created for themselves.

Don't like the system, stop enabling it

[-] los_chill@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago

The government is not one person. Are there members of congress, state and local government with whom you align? Do you think they will be more able to have a positive impact under Trump or under Biden? I'm all for criticizing Biden and the Democratic party. I recognize the cynicism of the "lesser evils" cycle we are stuck with when it comes to presidential candidates. I recognize the unfairness of the "if you don't eat the Dems bullshit and vote blue you will be complicit in creating a fascist state where women don't have bodily autonomy." It feels like we are being forced into accepting the Democratic party based on a threat. I won't be threatened. But I will also not make things worse for people out of personal frustration and discomfort. So Biden is another neo-centrist. We know this. And I'll vote for him again because the politics I actually support will have a better chance of doing some good than if I don't vote for him. You can say I'm giving in to the Dems threats but I don't give a shit. Our country has failed to deliver good candidates but I'm not gonna take my ball and go home.

[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

because the politics I actually support will have a better chance of doing some good than if I don't vote for him.

But we all know the reality of any of that happening is none. The exact same discussions we are having right now in regards to wages and housing and education and healthcare we have been having for decades in this country and on many of these issues for damn near over 100 years. The same issues that we are faced with right now with the state of the economy they were faced with those issues during Martin Luther King Jrs era. They lead the public on with promises that we are almost there, but we've been almost there for decades. At this point, hopefully a majority of the general public believe that they are just being led to the polls with a carrot and platitudes of empty promises that will never be fulfilled.

[-] darharrison@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

Yikes. Maybe it’s time for you to log off and get some fresh air for a bit.

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago

I live a few blocks from the beach in LA. I'm actually on a walk now. Thanks though.

[-] darharrison@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago

Thanks for sharing!

[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Well, enjoy another 4 years of Trump I guess.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Centrists are angry that no one's buying that Biden's totally working behind the scenes to do the opposite of what he's doing in public.

[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

He can want in one hand and shit in the other, see which one fills up first

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