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[-] rowinxavier@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago

To be clear, it is not a hush money trial. It is an election interference trial. Hush money is not actually criminal in and if itself, the fact that it was used in relation to influencing an election is what makes it a crime. It is election interference.

[-] OutsizedWalrus@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

No, you still have it wrong. It’s the fact that it was business fraud and ultimately came from campaign dollars.

Trump could have avoided literally alll of this simply by paying cash out of pocket.

[-] rowinxavier@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

The payment of hush money would have counted as a campaign contribution regardless of the source. If he paid it personally it would have been reportable. If Cohen paid it it would have been reportable. If a third party paid it it would have been reportable.

The reason it would have been reportable is because it provided benefit to the campaign. Covering up negative news is a benefit to the campaign, so if he paid it himself it would still have been a campaign contribution he would have to report.

By covering up the payment he is taking or making a campaign contribution in violation of FEC rules. By suppressing the story of his affair with Stormy Daniels he is contributing to his campaign and failure to disclose makes this a crime.

The fact that he committed a crime by failing to report a campaign contribution is what makes the payment itself part of a felony rather than a misdemeanor. In New York law they do not have to prove the specific electoral crime itself for this set of falsifications of business records to be related to a felony level crime and therefore felonious. The jury instructions approved by the judge specifically say that the jurors can find that he violated one of several options of law for raising this to a felony.

[-] PorradaVFR@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

The problem is people on juries can (try) to disregard instructions. I served on one and was NOT the foreperson and yet was the only one to speak up when some insisted on raising hypothetical motives when the judge had specifically instructed us only to consider presented evidence.

“No, you cannot guess as to what occurred” I had to repeatedly say.

I worry that one or more jurors will rationalize instead of fulfill their sworn duty. I hope not but….

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[-] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yeah I am confused by the amount of likes but iirc there's three significant cases:

  • hush money payments to stormy Daniels (the problem is that the payments are misappropriated funds, it's actually quite dumb)
  • election interference in georgia (the one that people feel more strongly about for obvious reasons)
  • mar-a-lago classified documents (mishandling, especially by retaining them after losing rights to handle as well as to see them). Last news was that he had even more shit tucked away in his bedroom iirc.
[-] morphballganon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Wasn't there a 4th case, something about New York?

[-] MisterD@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

You are thinking about the real estate fraud. He over valued properties for loans and under valued them for insurance purposes

[-] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yes there was another suit against the trump org in NY for fraud, but it's basically over, a judgement has been entered and last thing I've heard is that he was trying to secure a bond and the latest bond company got rejected by the court because something something not offering collateral.

I have no clue what the current status of this case is.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago

It's been so long, it's like taking off a pair of shoes that are too tight...

[-] dogsnest@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago

As with the other 45,762 rulings against Trump:

...blah, blah, blah, blah....smells ike a rose, increase in polls....

[-] comrade19@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

I don't understand the logic of why corruption makes someone their more ideal candidate. Is America just full of idiots? Whats the psychology behind that

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I have a data point from two of my relatives who both agree they want to see the ship go down. At least one votes in bad faith for whomever they think will cause more harm to the country they feel did not hold up its part of the social contract. Toddlers lashing out much like the orange one.

You stupid fucking monkey brain, you are on that ship! Your overweight, diabetic ass will not be surviving the looter wars.

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Cults. Look at any cult. The police, military, religions, patriotism, Branch Davidion, etc. All cults, all full of people who shouldn't be part of it because it's against their best interests.

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