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[-] Spendrill@lemm.ee 35 points 1 year ago

I'm beginning to think that Homo sapiens sapiens are not the good guys.

[-] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 27 points 1 year ago

We're the best at using our intelligence for stupid shit

[-] llii@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 year ago

We're just intelligent enough to fuck everything up.

[-] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yep. That’s the Great Filter concept. Certain stages on the evolutionary path may lead to extinction, and only the smartest species are able to pass the filter unharmed. In our case, the discovery of fossil fuels and nuclear weapons may be those kinds of stages.

Imagine what happens if we pass this filter and become an intergalactic species. Maybe one day we’ll start tinkering with technology capable of destroying a star, galaxy or the entire universe. If we are smart enough to squeeze energy out of the very fabric of space, we might also be dumb enough to cause the entire universe to collapse or something like that.

It’s a proposed solution to the fermi paradox. The idea is that we don’t see aliens out there in the stars, because they all nuked themselves to oblivion at some stage. Maybe they never reached the stars, before they destroyed their home planet. Maybe they blew up their own star and didn’t reach another one in time. Maybe their entire galaxy got sucked into a home-made black hole.

[-] Talaraine@fedia.io 12 points 1 year ago

"Will detonating this nuclear bomb set the atmosphere on fire?"

"Meh, probably not."

[-] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

Will this antimatter reactor consume the entire planet?

Meh, probably not.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

That’s the Great Filter concept. Certain stages on the evolutionary path may lead to extinction, and only the smartest species are able to pass

What if it is the accumulation of filters that no one can pass?

  • we evolved as intelligent and successful and passed many tests of natural selection, so far
  • we’ve survived nuclear weapons, so far
  • we’ve survived plague/biological warfare, so far
  • were still approaching climate catastrophe, so far
  • we’ve survived evolution + nuclear war + plague/biological + early climate change, so far

People get wrapped up in speculation about which stage may be the great filter, but it’s not as if they end. They just keep adding up. We need to keep passing all the filters we already pass plus all the filters yet to come

[-] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

That’s a very good addition. The old filters are still there and any one of them could still come back and bite us. However, when better technology becomes available, the older filters become less and less of a problem. Let’s take the bioweapons as an example. At the moment, we can develop cures and vaccines, but that technology has its limits. Perhaps one day our biotech is advanced enough that stopping a bioweapon from harming the citizens is as trivial as updating some software and changing a few passwords. Likewise, the climate catastrophe becomes less and less of an issue if the species is no longer bound to a single planet, but can also thrive in space.

[-] runeko@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago

Are ... are we the baddies?

[-] Shadowedcross@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Always have been.

[-] cmbabul@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Carlin was probably right all along, the earth let us evolve to our current state so we could make plastic for it to use way down the road when we’re all dead!

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago

Sooooo, we're symbiotic with roaches and rats.

Good to know! Makes my project to genetically modify us into a single new species a little less crazy

[-] GeorgeTheFourth@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

ManRoachRat? Half man, half roach, half rat? Are u cereal?

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

I am super cereal

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Cockroaches are the pinnacle of evolution thus far.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

How long until they evolve into crab?

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

All animals turn almost turtle eventually, like seriously it's weird how often it happened.

https://youtu.be/dQASQBbjmmo?si=14ONMAnwjPnwJAKE

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