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It's not escalation if they're made in Ukraine! (sh.itjust.works)
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[-] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 58 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The Russians are such fucking whiners. They've been importing weapons from several countries and using them in Ukraine for two years but when Ukraine does it then suddenly it's a big fucking problem.

It's like your brother punching you several times an hour for two years straight and when you finally slug them back they lose their shit and start threatening to cave your skull in with a bat.

Fuck 'em. If they didn't want the smoke they should have stayed home.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 42 points 5 months ago

I'm pretty sure that's what's happening already. The Ukrainians didn't just develop completely new generations of UAVs in a year.

[-] hondacivic@lem.sabross.xyz 38 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I thought they just spawned them in

/give @p military:UAV 1000

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 30 points 5 months ago

Hm... I actually think Ukraine is probably at the forefront of UAV development worldwide at this point (both mass scale domestic production and innovation in design / tactics).

At the beginning of the war they were using bayraktars and commercial quadcopters, and maybe a handful of officially-military-designed western drones. Obviously they drew on established technology, but I actually think at this point developing a completely new generation of UAVs is exactly what they've done (primarily in the aspect of how to keep them tactically effective while making them small and cheap so they can be produced at scale at a limited tech-tier, which isn't something the Western manufacturers really specialize in.)

I think the vital stuff they're importing is tons of artillery rounds and cruise missiles, stuff where you can't really cheap it out in the same way, but if the Kremlin starts getting hit with ATACMS munitions I don't think it's gonna fly to say "naw we found it refurbished bro, nothing to do with the West." IDK, give it time, maybe by a couple years from now they're gonna find themselves at the forefront of production of glide bombs that can reach hundreds of km after building on their exhaustive experience making FPV drones.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yeah, for real, they’re doing stuff with drone design and warfare that have some western defense industry execs and flag officers all like

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 11 points 5 months ago

There's not really a substitute for putting stuff into practice every day, with a heavy heavy penalty if you don't get it right. All the money in the world won't get you the same level of solution effectiveness as that will.

[-] skulblaka@startrek.website 7 points 5 months ago

Necessity is the mother of invention, and all that.

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 13 points 5 months ago

They're for sure getting parts and supplies for uav from the west, but they already had uav production in the beginning of the war. Most of their UAV are just commercial products assembled to carry more weight.

You'd be surprised how modular uav are nowadays. You really just need to hook motors up to a control board and your half way there. The stuff that west is probably helping with is hardening them to electronic warfare defenses like broadcast jammers.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

The complexity lies in motors, sensors and actuators and especially the software to tie it all together. I'm pretty sure they got help in all of those areas. Which is not in any way meant to minimise their own achievements.

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

I mean, they probably aren't't producing any of the hardware. You can pretty easily build very similar UAVs to the ones used in Ukraine just ordering through your local hobby shop.

The difficult part is in assembly, but it's about the same technical level as building a PC at home. Likely the only difference between what they have and what you can build at home is the hardware/programming they're using to jump frequencies so they're harder to highjack or shutdown remotely.

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 37 points 5 months ago

Or just attack Russia regardless of them claiming you're not allowed to?

America isn't pushing the button, they're just doing the usual thing of selling weapons.

It's Russia's fault they're in this thing. They went full border war using their own citizens - when under Pax Americana you're only supposed to do proxy wars in places not near you.

Russia has been doing that in Africa, their mistake has been doing it with their own guys on their own border.

[-] nxdefiant@startrek.website 13 points 5 months ago

This is the correct answer because Russia is going to claim they're doing it regardless.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 11 points 5 months ago

When having a proxy war it's always a good idea to ensure that you are the side with the proxy. Otherwise it's just a war for you.

Russia isn't fighting a proxy war with NATO, NATO is fighting proxy war with Russia though.

[-] JulesTheModest@sh.itjust.works 35 points 5 months ago

This sounds like what auto companies do to avoid tariffs!

[-] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 21 points 5 months ago

Duh, just move the Russian border. Then they will be bombing occupied Ukrainian territory.

[-] burble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 5 months ago

Only if the Polish trucker convoy lets you through

[-] Successful_Try543@feddit.de 10 points 5 months ago

AfaIk in this direction, into Ukraine, it's no problem.

[-] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 months ago

The Polish flag is upside down... Or maybe Indonesia borders Ukraine?

[-] Opisek@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

This is due to meme culture originating in country balls where Poland and only Poland is flipped upside-down. This drawing refers to that.

[-] don@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago

Poland is in the middle of dire distress and instances of extreme danger to life or property. Also, Indonesia (a country in Southeast Asia and Oceania) borders Ukraine.

Hope that helps!

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 8 points 5 months ago

Everyone always forgets about the Indonesian Ukrainian wormhole.

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

"Assembled in the USA" means, we put a sticker on the bottom of the product that we unpacked from a shipping container and placed in retail packaging. The sticker only said "Assembled in the USA."

[-] sirico@feddit.uk 6 points 5 months ago

Overly complicated just adopt the drop-shipping method slap different stickers on

[-] ceenote@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

You really think someone would do that? Just slap a sticker on a manufactured product that's a lie?

[-] nuke@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 months ago

Bruh all I'm saying is give me 15 minutes and access to a printer and I'll show you a F-35 Made in Ukraine

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 5 months ago

Just go the Apple route. And to put, rather smugly, "designed in California" on it.

[-] BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago

✈️🩹🇺🇦

Done and done!

[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Rub out the American flag EZ I don't understand

[-] zerosignal@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

I used to work for a company that did something like this. We had a product that was built overseas, and a major customer wanted one but would only buy it if it was made in America. So we had it built overseas, taken apart, shipped to the factory I worked at, the overseas assemblers flew here, they put it back together, and slapped a made in America sticker on it.

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