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[-] shyguyblue@lemmy.world 36 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

They still have the tech built in to the OS. What are the chances of someone making a virus that forwards the telemetry somewhere else, if that's even possible.

Using Windows 11 on my laptop finally pushed me to wipe the disk and go full Linux, no duel boot. The point is, it still has the ability.

[-] Gamers_Mate@kbin.run 12 points 5 months ago

For me it was microsoft wanting to add copilot to the OS level. Recall is a mess and even if a hacker cannot forward the telemetry somewhere else what is preventing a bad actor from opting in without the hardware owners permission?

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago

Or you could have malware that just asks Copilot about what you've been doing and exfiltrates data that way.

[-] Lojcs@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago

Screenshots and screen recording are in the os too

[-] shyguyblue@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

As an app you have to launch and interact with, and there's usually a sound or alert that tells you a screenshot has been taken. With M$, it's doing this without input or notification.

[-] Lojcs@lemm.ee 9 points 5 months ago

No? A program doesn't have to use the high level tools you have to for taking a screenshot, it can do so silently. I myself made a python script years ago that did this. Not even all user-facing functions have feedback for it neither, just press print screen

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago

they are known for fucking with privacy settings on updates.

[-] Lojcs@lemm.ee 30 points 5 months ago

Inb4 windows nags you about it on every window and "critical os repair" silently enables it

[-] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago

By opt-in I will immediately presume they mean they will let you know that they're doing it after you opt-in. I imagine it's gonna be something they still secretly do without your permission because fuck you peasant.

[-] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago

Yes this. I don't understand how anyone trusts Microsoft here (or anywhere). Their lies are legendary.

[-] LostWanderer@lemmynsfw.com 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Still a non-starter for me. The fact Microsoft had the gall to implement the worst version of Timeline possible means the trust is severed completely. Co-Pilot being the first affront, given that one cannot even opt-out of its presence easily on Windows Home Edition or at all on Edge and Bing. Recall is absolutely the last straw for me, it's a privacy nightmare, malicious users with physical access can still do a lot of harm. An ethical hacker proved how much can be done with the feature installed. Microsoft needs to be reigned in before it gets far worse than this.

I installed Ubuntu, after doing some relearning and troubleshooting, I am happily using a Linux Distro again. If Linux distros can become better, removing a lot of the barriers to entry for average people, it would go a long way to slap Microsoft in the face. Making them feel nervous about losing a ton of market share due to their dangerous antics.

[-] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago

Personally, I'd say the biggest problem is the lack of accessibility with Linux. I've tried to convert multiple times and always run into numerous issues even with the more Windows-user-friendly distros like Mint. I love the potential for customisation and feeling like I actually own my computer but my own experience lines up heavily with what the average console gamer thinks gaming on PC is like; a several-hour-long nightmare from launch.

[-] LostWanderer@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 5 months ago

Yeah, accessibility on Linux (depending on the distro) is a varied experience. For those with visual or hearing issues, there are distros that are far friendlier to those users. It can also be tricky to troubleshoot if you don't have a certain baseline of knowledge or know where to look. I have the ability to quickly find information that helps me troubleshoot any issues which have cropped up; still an average user, however, who can follow instructions fairly well.

The image of Linux and its distros seems like a daunting one; public perception has been warped to believe Linux is purely for programmers or high skill level nerds. Another issue that Linux suffers from is installation, since PCs that have Windows installed by default are so ubiquitous, and it seems like a complex task. There is also the issue of UEFI that is turned on by default in BIOS, which will prevent another OS from being installed (unless one knows how to get into BIOS and turn it off first). That's becoming less of an issue with PC sellers who install Linux by default and offer tech support for purchases made from them! They sell hardware configurations known to work with Linux, leading to fewer issues. They even have custom distros that they actively develop and contribute their code upstream to Linux as well. Software support is mostly better, but it isn't fully there yet to the point I could recommend Linux to any of my friends who aren't skilled technically. The Steam Deck made Linux Gaming better by existing, but the availability of games is still lacking in comparison to Windows. Windows being the default means more Game Devs target that OS over Linux.

It can be a nightmare; I know my return to Linux wasn't a walk in the park as I learned early on certain changes made Ubuntu feel daunting. However, I was able to overcome it through a combination of Canonical patching broken code and implementing solutions sourced from the Ubuntu Community at large. Unfortunately, the out of box experience varies too much for most people to actively use. Linux is not like Windows, which is mostly stable and can be installed on most machines that meet its requirements. Until distros can reach that level of polish through reverse engineering and forming partnerships with hardware companies who create firmware; the barriers to entry will remain numerous.

[-] wolfpack86@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Their biggest threat will be losing customers to ipad pro, imo.

[-] LostWanderer@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 5 months ago

Anything Apple is likely going to be the thing most people move to. As everything, they'll need is either pre-installed or able to be found on the respective storefront. I personally want Linux to come into it's high popularity era. However, the realistic option is an Apple product which suits a person's needs. I am getting a Mac Mini just for the proprietary stuff I need to manage my iPhone, as it wouldn't work on Linux.

[-] lud@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago
[-] wolfpack86@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Think there's a significant population that only browses, emails, and does office suite tasks. IPads are serious alternatives if they get annoyed enough with MS.

They're not primed to move to linux as they're not "techie" enough.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago

Ah. They're the perfect market for ReactOS.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago

The biggest barrier for entry is it’s not preinstalled

[-] LostWanderer@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 5 months ago

There are PC sellers who sell Linux Desktops! System 76 is a USA example of a retailer who does sell PCs with Pop_OS or Ubuntu preinstalled. It does hurt to not have these PCs available in big box stores like Walmart or Best Buy. As that would make Linux visible and readily accessible to a potential buyer.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 7 points 5 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Microsoft had originally planned to turn Recall on by default, but the company now says it will offer the ability to disable the controversial AI-powered feature during the setup process of new Copilot Plus PCs.

Recall uses local AI models to screenshot mostly everything you see or do on your computer and then give you the ability to search and retrieve anything in seconds.

Everything in Recall is designed to remain local and private on-device, so no data is used to train Microsoft’s AI models.

TotalRecall extracts the Recall database so you can easily view what text is stored and the screenshots that Microsoft’s feature has generated.

“In some cases, this will mean prioritizing security above other things we do, such as releasing new features or providing ongoing support for legacy systems.”

Davuluri references Microsoft’s SFI principles in today’s response, noting that the company is taking action to improve Recall security.


The original article contains 747 words, the summary contains 151 words. Saved 80%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

It’s the OCR of Damocles!

Someone will figure out an exploit to silently turn it on and then exfil the data.

[-] ssm@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 5 months ago

Fuck. I was hoping they would just go forward with it anyways so it would drive some people over to open source ecosystems. Maybe they'll make it opt-out again after a couple months and the outrage dies down, as these companies tend to do these days.

[-] lemmee_in@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

NO MEANS NO, MICROSOFT!

I don't want sonething like Recall, Copilot, Notepad.AI, Paint.AI baked into the OS

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