They have the choice to negotiate or not, but if they choose war and lose, then their lot is to reckon with the consequences of their actions. Vae victus, as the Gauls said to the Romans.

You sir, are an asshole. You have no moral high ground here and in the face of starving civilians, your beliefs, attitudes and viewpoint ring of hollow and despicable demagoguery. Your soap box is built of boards of blood and suffering and we can ALL see it, pooling around your feet. You're waving a sign that says "Good people of Earth, despise me, oppose me, ostracize me and disregard my words."

It's not OK. You have picked the wrong point of view and when you open your mouth or reach for your keyboard to dispense it, nothing will wash the resulting stench from you, because you're standing on top of this and there is NO WAY to make that a good look. No amount of reasonableness, logic or polite discourse will put you on the right side or make you persuasive.

The side you support has already lost the moral debate and now it's just the practical matter of what can be done about it, given the geopolitical and cultural realities surrounding it. The world will never forgive you for standing where you stand. Someday, you may realize you need to forgive yourself and when that happens, MAYBE we can have a different conversation.

Until then, farewell.

They have the choice to negotiate or not, but if they choose war and lose, then their lot is to reckon with the consequences of their actions. Vae victus, as the Gauls said to the Romans.

You sir, are an asshole. You have no moral high ground here and in the face of starving civilians, your beliefs, attitudes and viewpoint ring of hollow and despicable demagoguery. Your soap box is built of boards of blood and suffering and we can ALL see it, pooling around your feet. You're waving a sign that says "Good people of Earth, despise me, oppose me, ostracize me and disregard my words."

It's not OK. You have picked the wrong point of view and when you open your mouth or reach for your keyboard to dispense it, nothing will wash the resulting stench from you, because you're standing on top of this and there is NO WAY to make that a good look. No amount of reasonableness to put you on the right side or make you persuasive.

The side you support has already lost the moral debate and now it's just the practical matter of what can be done about it, given the geopolitical and cultural realities surrounding it. The world will never forgive you for standing where you stand. Someday, you may realize you need to forgive yourself and when that happens, MAYBE we can have a different conversation.

Until then, farewell.

It seems like a nation which has been radicalized by decades of failures at peace initiatives and the same decades of unrelenting violence directed at their civilians.

This, imo, is beautifully stated, and on its own could apply to either side depending on framing. Which is why the entire situation is even more sad and frustrating.

Even though I disagree with you on the overall perception of Israel/Palestine, I respect your pursuit of open dialogue so ill ask this since you're seemingly open to engaging in good faith: what would be the ideal solution to bring about an immediate end the extreme bloodshed and shelling of Gaza from a pro-Isrseli perspective? (No gotchas or setups, genuinely interested)

Hmmm, let's give you another analogy, perhaps you would understand it better, if you regularly beat your dog to a pulp, and finally your dog decides to bite you, whose fault will that be? Yours or your dog's fault?

This is exactly how Jews immigrated to mandatory Palestine. They bought houses or land and moved in.

Perhaps you should read this article and tell me about the peaceful Jews again: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun

Prior to 1920, the Jews presence in the region of Israel was more or less negligeable. Even when Israel was founded they got the lion share of the territory while also being a minority. They evicted a couple of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their ancestral land and until today, they are refusing their right to return. Hmmm I wonder why Arab states were pissed with them.

Shall we also discuss the illegal settlements or the numerous checkpoints, preventing the basic human rights of the Palestinians of free movement? Seriously you should stop sucking Israel's propaganda and open your eyes.