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[-] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 100 points 5 months ago

Shhh! Nobody tell them about "inside out."

[-] s38b35M5@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

Don't tell them about insid-- dang! Too late

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

Why isn’t it outside in?

[-] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 months ago

It could be to do with something called “ablaut reduplication”. Very basically English has a - kind of - untaught sound order that native speakers inherently apply to the language. Wikipedia will have an article to explain it better. Specifically the vowel order I-A-O. A great example is the phrase “Bish bash bosh” which is getting coverage recently. (One notable exception is “shit, shower, shave” but that is probably down to the chronology of the actions.)

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[-] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 50 points 5 months ago

How else would one interpret it?

[-] Binette@lemmy.ml 48 points 5 months ago

It's not really that I interpret it in another way, but I never really thought about the structure of the word 😅

[-] db2@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

Go further. For example, people say 'gypped' without knowing it's a pejorative reference to the word 'Gypsy' which is itself a pejorative of the Romani.

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

My favorite recently is sophist from the pejorative Platonic definition. It really puts words like sophisticated in a different etymological light and subtle contextual meaning.

[-] Caboose12000@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago
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[-] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 months ago

I’ve had similar realizations about words like “across” and “again”.

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 7 points 5 months ago

I get "across", but what about again?

[-] Trex202@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

A gain. In addition to.

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[-] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 months ago

I think the pronunciation, specifically the blending of the end of "upside" and beginning of "down", turns it into one of those compound words that your brain interprets as an independent word, rather than a combination of its composite parts.

[-] s38b35M5@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Unused to wonder if the radio announcers that are always reciting the station call letters found that the letters stopped sounding like individual sounds, and the whole recitation became a sort of "word" for them. Like "You're listening to 102.9FM WBLM!" Did it stop being "double-you bee ell emm," and turn into more of a mashup of "dubbleyabeeyelmm"?

True, the difference is pretty subtle, especially to a listener, but I wonder strange things sometimes...

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[-] abominable_panda@lemmy.world 41 points 5 months ago

Now explain why some people are "down for things" while others are "up for it"

[-] xkbx@startrek.website 32 points 5 months ago

Wait until you find out “bottoms up” isn’t about a group of people taking an elevator to get mimosas

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[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago

Brave of you to post this

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 22 points 5 months ago

Good grief...

[-] Ticklemytip@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

TIL that people didn't get this. I had a similar situation where I would pronounce unleaded as unleeded

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 months ago

Oh, I used to do this all the time. You see a word in print, but you never hear anybody say it, so you wind up pronouncing it wrong.

I think the best was when I pronounced "misled" as my-seld because I thought it was the past tense of "misle".

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[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 19 points 5 months ago

Wait until you learn the news is new.

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[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 5 months ago

Well, yeah. That's.. how words work?

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[-] NorthWestWind@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

Does "right-side up" mean the right side is up or the "right" side is up? English does not make sense

also hi binette

[-] helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

Right = correct

"The correct side is up"

I agree, English is a mess.

[-] Binette@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 months ago

Right as in correct.

hi nww :D

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[-] nialv7@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

Always funny to see native speakers discover trivial facts about their language

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[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 months ago

This reminds me of the time I had a co-worker tell me "That's why they call it 'work'. 'Cause you're working!"

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[-] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 months ago

I'm my language it's "bottom up" (ondersteboven).

Also came to a similar realization in my language with "averechts", which means the other way around.

Rechts = right (side, from my pov)

Averechts = ave ( dialect for "your") right side.

You're basically communicating "my right or your right". Asking for right or left can be done by saying rechts or averechts.

Also besides ondersteboven and averechts, we have achterstevoren, which means back side in front.

[-] MP3Martin@programming.dev 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

We say something like "legs up"

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[-] Resol@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

The opposite of "upside down" is not "downside up", but "right-side up".

The opposite of "right-side up" is not "left-side down", but "upside down".

Ladies, gentlemen, and all in between. The English language.

[-] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 9 points 5 months ago

The up side is the right side. The down side is the wrong side. Quite logical to me

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[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 8 points 5 months ago

Once you get a handle on inside out you can check out this ok go song

https://youtu.be/LWGJA9i18Co

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[-] KonalaKoala@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

And then someone tries that again with "Just realized that "downside up" means "the down side is up", making it downside up" to see if it makes anymore sense.

[-] smokebuddy@lemmy.today 7 points 5 months ago

The letter W is both called "double-U" and looks like two letter Us combined (in some curvy fonts at least)

[-] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 10 points 5 months ago

In my language it's called double-v, which makes so much more sense to me.

[-] MufinMcFlufin@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Apparently "W" was originally written as "uu" as early as ~600AD, hence the name, however it still used Latin/Roman letters which hadn't yet distinguished between u and v as letters. For at least 700 years, u and v appear to have been considered the same and interchangeable (so "Double U " could look like "uu" or "vv") but it depends on your language whether it was verbally called a "U" or a "V" until the first recorded distinction between the two in a Gothic era alphabet written in 1386. The two apparently did still see some overlap in use until about the 1700s with the turning point appearing to be when the distinction between their capital forms was accepted by the French Academy in 1726.

tl;dr: "Double U" predates the distinction between "U" and "V" so it's up to chance which letter a language called it before it stuck.

[-] Zink@programming.dev 7 points 5 months ago

Even moreso if you consider the old Latin alphabet that used V and didn’t have U.

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[-] Chef_Boyardee@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago

Thank God, another stupid person like me. We are strong in numbers.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Heh good insight.

(Ps I also have these thoughts about breaking words down (unicorn is uni-corn) and some people get really snarky about it. Don't let bad comments get to you.)

[-] Hjalamanger@feddit.nu 5 points 5 months ago
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[-] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago

Holy shit does that mean that inside out means the inside is out? 🤯

[-] chemicalprophet@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago

Glad you finally made it to the party! Meaning we’ve all been having a party that you just made it to.

[-] wolfpack86@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago
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