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Everyone knows how rabidly reactionary and shitheaded the SW fandom became after the Disney acquisition but I'm finally at my breaking point with this latest wave of chud whining. The Acolyte got review bombed before it even aired because the showrunner is a lesbian and the leading actress is a gay enby. Also a clip of Stenberg from like 6 years ago made the rounds where she says the goal of a completely different project she was working on was to make white men cry and chuds who get all their news from youtubers thought she was talking about the Acolyte.

Fast forward to the show's release, the chuds continue to whine about woke Star Wars despite the show's first several episodes being pretty bland and mid in every regard. To disguise their actual reasons for hating the show (diverse cast and queer showrunner) they pull out the absolute most ridiculous reasons to bash it, including but not limited to:

  • "The writing is awful and the story sucks!" (the dialogue is genuinely quite bad at times but no worse than 95% of star wars projects. The general story is a mystery-thriller that's compelling enough. Also these same people turn around and say the prequels are incredible so funny-clown-hammer)

  • "The show contracts and ruins the prequels!" alright time to put on my nerd cap because the media literacy of these fucking shitbags is nonexistent. "Dark side user" =/= Sith, Red-lightsaber-user =/= Sith, there are tons of darkside users in the galaxy but the Sith area very specific order that the jedi warred with for thousands of years before they were almost completely wiped out. Also half the point of the prequels was to show the Jedi are blinded by their hubris and waning connection to the force, the Sith were right under their nose the entire time and they were just too arrogant to see it, silly Darth Teeth man doesn't ruin shit in your dog ass shit fuck childrens movies.

  • "The show RETCONS CANON in an UNACCEPTABLE WAY" this is because a prequel side character's DOB was retconned and he's a lot older now and appears in the show. These worthless fucks are sending death threats to Wookiepedia editors who change the character's DOB and screaming that it's vile yes that's right it's VILE to change a fictional background character's birthday. Just take a look at the replies on that post, yes I know it's the bird hellsite filled with ragebait but the responses like "oh well I thought that GATEKEEPING was a BAD THING nerd" are just so bleak. Art and media mean nothing to these people, their hobby is not watching Star Wars, its watching ragebait youtubers and getting violently angry about mundane things in shows they've never watched and aren't interested in democracy-manifest Also these screaming manbabies keep referencing non-canon books and shit as "proof" of the show retconning things

The discourse around TLJ was bad but I think I'm finally done engaging with the SW fandom in any way shape or form. My brain has finally been broken by the chuds. I don't think I'll even tell people I like SW anymore because these shitbrains have just ruined it. And yes I know I need to touch-grass but if you don't spend a decent amount of time in these SW fandom circles I promise you don't know how bad it actually is

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[-] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 46 points 5 months ago

What is up with Americans and treating movie canon like it is sacrosanct. For Fuck's sake.

[-] egg1918@hexbear.net 44 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

We (cracker-americans) have no culture so Disney slop is the next closest thing

[-] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 40 points 5 months ago

It shows. I loved the Iranian burn about not having any heroes, who could they kill in retaliation for General Soleimani, spongebob?

[-] pumpchilienthusiast@hexbear.net 22 points 5 months ago

that’s what happens when you live in a massively isolated and alienated society and your life is utterly devoid of meaning

[-] micnd90@hexbear.net 32 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I think Star Wars kinda sucked after Disney takeover. They are bland, unoriginal, and all the Disney + shows, including the beloved Mando S1 and S2 look terrible. There is certainly some gaslighting from the media class about Star Wars being good, and it creates a backlash and establishment of incel to chud pipelines via youtube. Picking Leslie Headland who is assistant of Harvey Weinstein, who wrote a play that is suspiciously similar to Weinstein's abuses (essentially like OJ's what if I did it) doesn't help. As you said, they blame the state of the show on wokeness and diversity, instead of capital (i.e., Disney) making bad consoomer products. The OT was clearly a Vietnam war allegory. Empire fascist, bad. Rebel, good. It is about something. The Disney products are not about anything other than expanding the "lore" and milking the fandom. They have no coherent message to tell other than making products for people to consoom and be excited about next product. That's why the Disney Star Wars are bad. One cannot tell the overarching themes of any of their shows and movies except for maybe Andor.

[-] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 25 points 5 months ago

It is about something. The Disney products are not about anything other than expanding the "lore" and milking the fandom

This is the greatest flaw of the Disney Era more than anything imo, and arguably all franchise media right now. That's part of why, in addition to just pure nostalgia, the prequels have been reevaluated. They at least were going for something. The OT was also meant as a throwback to an older era in Hollywood. The Disney Era is a throwback to Star Wars, just with a sleeker coat of paint.

[-] riseuppikmin@hexbear.net 16 points 5 months ago

Disney's non-tv/movie content has actually been decent (highlights are Doctor Aphra comics, multiple Vader comics, lots of the High Republic Era books/comics are good), but that isn't something I expect most people to engage with. Don't get me wrong they're absolutely slop, but they at least move beyond just being strictly nostalgia re-writes of existing content like the sequel trilogy was.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The biggest thing imo is that there's no central direction on which way to take the franchise. This is how you end up with a major film trilogy with not even basic story notes worked out in advance being given to three different directors all with radically different ideas (then reduced back to two). On the other hand, I guess it lets an Andor slip through the cracks every once in a while.

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[-] grey_wolf_whenever@hexbear.net 29 points 5 months ago

Can we just abandon star wars? I get it, chuds hate it for the wrong reasons, it is bad though. Everyone on twitter has to be all 'well ackshually' about the space fire, and how star wars has always had space explosions so its fine, but level with me: it does look a bit shit right? The fire on the outside of the ship.

Its tough how bad The Last Jedi broke their brains. I came out of that theatre feeling electric, I loved that movie, but its been bottom of the barrel Disney schlock since.

[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 28 points 5 months ago

I don't know why people have to hold Star Wars so sacred, and I say this holding a pretty embarrassingly large love for it. Star Wars has always been kinda mid, and that's especially true for all of the expanded content for it.

Overall, the Acolyte is fine? It's not particularly bad in an unusual way - like, it's comparably bad to the Mandalorian. My only engagement with Star Wars discourse is listening to A More Civilized Age religiously - I outright refuse to engage with the broader fandom (same goes for anime - I avoid discussing it with anyone that isn't a big ol commie).

[-] Meh@hexbear.net 15 points 5 months ago

Based AMCA enjoyer. I don't get the hate for the acolyte either and I agree that fine is the way to describe it. Much like a lot of star wars, there are a lot of interesting things floating around in the background that will not get the show's focus like I would want. Meanwhile, the main mystery could be alright depending on how it casts the Jedi at the end of it all, but I'm expecting they'll fumble it. (I haven't seen the most recent episode yet, so it may have already gone off the rails for all I know)

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[-] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 28 points 5 months ago

Give me another season or two of Andor so I can forget about this shit forever

[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 20 points 5 months ago

I want the full 5 seasons of Andor originally planned, but just make it animated so we don't have to deal with the harsh realities of Diego Luna aging throughout the process of producing multiple seasons of TV show.

[-] Nacarbac@hexbear.net 11 points 5 months ago

If there's anything Star Wars loves it's an excuse to rerelease something - they can do the New Digitally Remastered Rogue One, with frame-by-frame AI-aging effects added on.

...it won't look great though.

[-] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 16 points 5 months ago
[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 10 points 5 months ago

Andor is legitimately great

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 14 points 5 months ago

The only genuinely good film was ESB. Everything else is just slop executed with various degrees of competence. Virtually everything people argue about why the prequels or sequels suck could apply to ROTJ as well, but you don't see people shitting on Death Star 2.0 being creatively bankrupt or Luke being a Mary Sue which he 100% was. Even the very first film could be nitpicked to death.

  • Why didn't the Death Star shoot its laser through Yavin, a planet made out of mostly gas, in order to blow up Yavin 4?

  • What was the point of Obi-Wan dying if it was established in ESB that Jedi can telepathically communicate with Force-sensitive individuals meaning Obi-Wan didn't have to die in order to tell Luke to "use the Force?"

  • How was Han able to pilot the Millennium Falcon, a noticeably bigger and more conspicuous ship compared with an X-wing, through the defenses of the Death Star with nary a scratch?

  • How was Luke able to miraculously survive the Death Star exploding despite having less than 10 seconds to pilot his X-wing out of the explosion radius?

This is why I checked out of Star Wars "discourse." Ultimately, people nitpick because they have various issues with whatever movie they want to nitpick, but because they can't say the real reason why they hate that particular movie, they have to come up with some pointless nitpick instead. If they love the movie, suddenly whatever nitpick they apply for the movie they hate is completely irrelevant. This is why some ship ramming at hyperspeed gets nitpicked but the Death Star not shooting through a gas planet gets a pass.

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[-] MiraculousMM@hexbear.net 12 points 5 months ago

Yeah if these peoples' attitude was "fuck star wars because its corporate slop" that'd be 1000% fine but they don't care about that as long as the slop suits their tastes.

it does look a bit shit right? The fire on the outside of the ship.

I forgot that was a thing tbh. It didn't register anything for me

[-] peppersky@hexbear.net 12 points 5 months ago

back when the force awakens came out me and my friends were on the hype train and got together to watch the originals and the prequels and man after like three of those films i was so over it (star wars being literally everywhere back then didn't help matters either). I really have no idea how anyone can get excited for more and more and more of this shit.

[-] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Every day that passes makes my proposal of a plotless lightsaber tournament that much more appealing by contrast.

Fuck it! Anakin vs Luke, Quai Gon Jin vs Rei, Obi Wan vs Akosha, Darth Maul vs Yoda, Mace Windu vs General Greivis, Duku vs Palpetine

And you know what? Sora from Kingdom Hearts vs Kylo Ren. Just send my Emmy in the mail

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[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 25 points 5 months ago

The issue with the Star Wars franchise is that they could create a communist, feminist, man-hating miniseries and the haters still wouldn't leave. ooooooooooooooh

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[-] YoungSheldonAdelson@hexbear.net 25 points 5 months ago

The show isn't good, but not for the reason the reactionaries believe, and it's not offensively bad.

Why shouldn't there be an interpretive dance scene in some random little star wars show? Have we crossed some threshold here? None of the people criticizing the witch dance scene have even left their stinky gamer chairs in the last 10 years.

The costume work on this show is incredibly mid. I really dislike the mass-produced white Jedi order robes that they wear at the temple, they look maybe one step above a Jedi Halloween costume. We're supposed to believe this is the Jedi Order at its zenith and the robes are just so drab without any character.

spoilerThere could have been an interesting show here if some different choices were made. I would have liked it better if the Jedi didn't immediately know about the witch coven and what they were up to. They had the perfect opportunity for a classic twin-mixup plotline where the bad twin could be the one saved from the destruction and has to keep it secret from the Jedi that they are an inducted witch and force-wielder in order to survive.

[-] StalinStan@hexbear.net 24 points 5 months ago

The robes are mass produced so you can buy identical ones at Disney brand experiences

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[-] MiraculousMM@hexbear.net 17 points 5 months ago

It has a lot of the same issues as the other SW shows: it looks kinda cheap, it was clearly shot inside of a cupboard, etc.

[-] YoungSheldonAdelson@hexbear.net 21 points 5 months ago

I don't think Disney gets why Jedi dress the way they do. That's in large part the fault of George Lucas who definitely didn't understand why Jedi dress the way they do.

We meet Obi-wan, a former warrior monk, living in exile on Tatooine, he's wearing this threadbare brown robe. Clearly, a lot of inspiration was taken from desert nomadic and ascetic religious traditions. Then what is Obi-wan wearing in Episode 3 at the height of the Republic era? The robes he was wearing for his 20-year desert exile on Tatooine!

Now a hundred years before obi-wan is born all the Jedi are wearing the same brown robes?!

I'm looking at the Acolyte costumes now and all the leather bits look totally fresh, no creases or signs of use. Are the jedi ascetics with a utilitarian dress code? How come they all dress like a desert nomad while they have their base of operations on a megalopolis city world? I don't fucking know.

[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 11 points 5 months ago

I mean the last bit is on track for a cult run by politically powerful quasi-billionaires.

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[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

A cupboard

Not sure if this was an intentional or accidental reference to The Volume, but for folks who don't follow this stuff, this is a somewhat accurate description of the way many star wars scenes are filmed.

The volume is a giant chamber encircled by LED screens that display CG backgrounds that respond to camera positioning. The cameras have positioning units that communicate their position to The Volume in realtime, with one of the big benefits being that the camera and the actors can move more freely than they could on a standard green screen. If a camera shifts left, the BG can shift in parallax with it, making it relatively seamless. Because the LED screens emit light, they also provide the scene with much more natural lighting (This is one reason why the Mandalorian can wear shiny armor -- It's reflecting a series of very good displays)

Kne drawback is that that the bgs must be CG.

This also limits the scope of a scene, as the BG can't occlude the actors. Foreground and scene elements must still be added to sets, and if someone wants to, say, enter another room in a house, that doorway must be built in the volume, or the scene must be cut during a transition.

It's a fascinating piece of technology, and useful for specific things, but because it's cheaper than building sets, we see it used when it's not the best tool for the job too.

Even so, Andor didn't use the volume for much, which is why the scenes feel so solid and interactive.

[-] pumpchilienthusiast@hexbear.net 11 points 5 months ago

was clearly shot inside of a cupboard

That’s literally everything now

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[-] GrumpigPoopBalls@hexbear.net 20 points 5 months ago

the best thing about the review bombing is that other random movies with "Acolyte" in the name also caught strays from chuds not looking at what they were rating

[-] someone@hexbear.net 20 points 5 months ago

I have a grindr profile and in my about-me I explain that I'm happy to help people cheat discreetly by hosting at my apartment, and "no Star Wars fans".

Guess which of the two gets me more unhinged hateful diatribes.

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[-] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 18 points 5 months ago

Those people on Twitter who are making death threats political LMAO

IM SORRY, I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA!

The people who are throwing a tantrum about whether the Acolyte is canon to make death threats in the first place are something else, comrade. Holy shit. I struggle to feel anything but disgusted. I try to find empathy, but I run it through my internal empathy calculator and it spits back an error. pronouns

[-] Ericthescruffy@hexbear.net 16 points 5 months ago

the dialogue is genuinely quite bad at times but no worse than 95% of star wars projects.

Lol...I mean to be fair The Star Wars fan base (myself included) seems to complain incessantly about 95% of Star Wars media in general (dialogue included).

I know how fucking reactionary most of the prominent star wars fandom is and TBF I haven't watched the acolyte yet but: just on a surface level I do kinda dislike how many red lightsaber wielding dark side force users keep popping up in the pre-prequal era just as much as I dislike how many Jedi Keep getting retconned in as survivors of the purge.

The more "Not Sith" they keep introducing...the less significant the "Sith Proper" revealing themselves actually starts to feel. "Dark Jedi" is basically just a loophole to get around the problem.

[-] RoabeArt@hexbear.net 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I always loved the idea of the massive, galaxy-spanning Jedi Order being reduced to just Yoda and Obi Wan, and with both of them dead by the end of the trilogy, Luke is their only hope to rebuild it.

All these Jedi survivors that keep getting introduced in the shows really cheapened Luke's character arc IMO. What's the point of acting like Luke is the only one to continue the Jedi legacy if there are about 5 dozen Jedi bopping around elsewhere? (Although I'm sure they could retcon it and say Luke is the only one who can unite them all.)

If Disney wanted more movies and shows with more lightsaber shit, they could have easily made something that takes place a couple hundred years in the past (the Jedi have supposedly been around thousand of years). Why cram all of the new storylines within a ~30 year time span and have them all include or revolve around the Skywalkers in some way?

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[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 15 points 5 months ago

I really feel for any reasonable person still invested in Starwar.

[-] Rojo27@hexbear.net 14 points 5 months ago

Honestly I'm just fucking tired with media discourse in general. I made the mistake of logging back on my Facebook and the amount of chud screeching over 'woke' in this, that, and the other thing is ridiculous.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 14 points 5 months ago

Nothing like star wars nerds trying to pretend that their problem with the show is the writing, dialog and characters and then turn around and DEFEND THE FUCKING PREQUALS.

Weird how some of the absolute fucking worst writing ever put to screen is fine when it's a bunch of white people and racial stereotypes ... I mean different aliens... delivering them but if it's a women or, God forbid, a women who isn't hot and straight, suddenly it's not living up to the incredibly high bar of star wars fans.

[-] RaisedFistJoker@hexbear.net 14 points 5 months ago

star wars has been bad since (and including) episode 6

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[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 13 points 5 months ago

"The show contracts and ruins the prequels!" alright time to put on my nerd cap because the media literacy of these fucking shitbags is nonexistent. "Dark side user" =/= Sith, Red-lightsaber-user =/= Sith, there are tons of darkside users in the galaxy but the Sith area very specific order that the jedi warred with for thousands of years before they were almost completely wiped out. Also half the point of the prequels was to show the Jedi are blinded by their hubris and waning connection to the force, the Sith were right under their nose the entire time and they were just too arrogant to see it, silly Darth Teeth man doesn't ruin shit in your dog ass shit fuck childrens movies.

I feel like a bunch of the crybabies haven't even actually seen much of Star Wars beyond the big movies, maybe some of the live action stuff, and the freeze-gamer content. The rest is them reading wiki articles about books and comics that nobody seriously cares about that much. Just media consumed second-and-third hand in the most embarrassing way.

[-] Smeagolicious@hexbear.net 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Big personal flaw of mine: I'm a star wars enjoyer. I've not really liked much of the Disney material but quite enjoyed Rogue One, Andor, and Mando S1. Real talk, is the Acolyte worth a watch in any way? It's fucking impossible to get a vibe based on internet criticism with Star Wars nowadays because of culture war bullshit review bombing chuds and constant discourse, I swear

It sounds like the queerest star war yet (in cast anyway, idk about content), and I do enjoy some force mysticism

[-] riseuppikmin@hexbear.net 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Hello. My single allowed bad leftist take is that I still enjoy star wars. While I think Andor and the last 3rd of Rogue One are easily the best Star Wars post Disney acquisition (Andor is probably the best Star Wars period) The Acolyte is currently in my top half. The dialogue writing is weak (which I think holds true for about every piece of star wars ever created that's not Andor), but the story itself is still currently intriguing and as someone who has read most of the High Republic Era works I'm invested in seeing how they manage the transitional period towards the prequels and specifically a character in the show who is now radically different from how we've seen her in print works (that said her show form is ~60-80years older than her last novel appearance).

In short- unless you're absolutely strapped for time try it. I'm not saying you couldn't fill that time with better non-SW media (you absolutely could), but I think it's worth watching up to this point if you just want to stay in the Star Wars universe.

Also don't engage in Star Wars conversation with anyone who isn't an anarchist or commie because they're the only ones you'll get decent takes from.

Having written all this I accept that I probably need to go to the gulag. I'm sorry to all of you who I've failed by coming out as still finding enjoyment in Star Wars.

[-] Thordros@hexbear.net 12 points 5 months ago

Having written all this I accept that I probably need to go to the gulag. I'm sorry to all of you who I've failed by coming out as still finding enjoyment in Star Wars.

snipes-hesitation

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[-] ChaosMaterialist@hexbear.net 12 points 5 months ago

I dropped away from Star Wars after the vicious treatment many of the Prequel, particularly young Anakin, received by fans. Fuck all that static!

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 11 points 5 months ago

i feel like we have first og jedi encounter in disney hands, unless i'm mistaken. And still no idea wtf can they do, were they always just evil etc

[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 11 points 5 months ago

berdly-actually ACTUALLY, Young Jedi Adventures takes place at an earlier time period

[-] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 11 points 5 months ago

I'm actually super worried about publishing fantasy because my project is supposed to be a trilogy and my plot details are changing dramatically as time passes. The order the plot happens changes. I thought of antagonists for the second book and now they have to be alluded to in the already finished rough draft of the first one. That means a band of pirates actually travel in land for the climax instead of an island.

If I had to age up a character that'd be the most mild retconning possible. It sounds like an excuse to have a character show up on screen which is fine for a derivative piece of art made for popular consumption.

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