SimpleX Server Payments: Will XMR be a default? (rebelnet.me)

submitted 4 months ago by SummerBreeze@monero.town to c/monero@monero.town

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SimpleX will be integrating payments to the server operators to provide incentives to decentralize the network. He’s using a voucher blockchain system, but that’s what the customer gets. The question is what the customer pays.

Can the customer pay in Monero included in the self-host default packages, or will operators have to provide their own XMR infrastructure? This is a big deal. These are the types of questions you can ask directly at tomorrow (or tonight if you live in asia)’s event.

The SimpleX dev is dropping by Simplified Privacy’s chat to answer community questions. Consider showing up to show Monero love and sway his mind to natively support it with his vendor package bundles.

Saturday June 29, 1 hour starting at: 2pm UTC / or / New York 10am / or / Hong Kong 10pm

These are both the same room, we offer choices for the moderator to be online to connect you. Here’s East EU & Asia timezone: https://simplex.chat/contact#/?v=2-4&smp=smp%3A%2F%2FN_McQS3F9TGoh4ER0QstUf55kGnNSd-wXfNPZ7HukcM%3D%40smp19.simplex.im%2F-0fWTzXMJNobsaiaodOGLOfm0m9pq05I%23%2F%3Fv%3D1-2%26dh%3DMCowBQYDK2VuAyEAdfeJrGjuY_qKripG4E7xle6nTDWOWuBPtWmapW6pyEc%253D%26srv%3Di53bbtoqhlc365k6kxzwdp5w3cdt433s7bwh3y32rcbml2vztiyyz5id.onion&data=%7B%22type%22%3A%22group%22%2C%22groupLinkId%22%3A%22yhJzAfpfVkMynOUVxs412g%3D%3D%22%7D

West EU & Americas: https://simplex.chat/contact#/?v=2-5&smp=smp%3A%2F%2FSkIkI6EPd2D63F4xFKfHk7I1UGZVNn6k1QWZ5rcyr6w%3D%40smp9.simplex.im%2FxPXefPbN7ZAkPyMKzJmQrFD_fv55R6w_%23%2F%3Fv%3D1-2%26dh%3DMCowBQYDK2VuAyEALLyynGdXLoWke3pIt1CrR00p62eT0ewpKEaWn542gWA%253D%26srv%3Djssqzccmrcws6bhmn77vgmhfjmhwlyr3u7puw4erkyoosywgl67slqqd.onion&data=%7B%22type%22%3A%22group%22%2C%22groupLinkId%22%3A%22n99NTwZLjeKwyI4lwMHB_g%3D%3D%22%7D

If you can’t make it and want to ask something, post it here on RebelNet, and we’ll reply his copy. You can hit “connect as guest” to get random numbers/letters without a nostr key, https://rebelnet.me/news/0xbf8079a69a15fd74ae

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[-] sntx@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

@ https://lemmy.ml/c/simplex

[-] SummerBreeze@monero.town 3 points 4 months ago

can you cross post to there for me? I'm banned from lemmy.ml and no reason was given

[-] delirious_owl@discuss.online 3 points 4 months ago

Damn, Lemmy.world and Lemmy.ml ban people too aggressively. We really need better transparency on bans.

[-] tusker@monero.town 1 points 4 months ago

good luck getting reasons from communists, they are guided by emotions and feelings

[-] tisktisk@monero.town 6 points 4 months ago

All humans are partially guided by feelings. Commies need privacy too. Demonizing others so shallowly often does very little other than create a false sense of security and unity

Never give up on true solidarity folks! We need it now more than ever before

[-] tusker@monero.town 3 points 4 months ago

for sure, I hope commies start using Monero, but reasoning with them is not possible

[-] tisktisk@monero.town 1 points 4 months ago

Demonizing others so shallowly often does very little other than create a false sense of security and unity

You are reasoning with one in this very comment thread comrade! There are allies everywhere when we begin to see through the illusory divisions of old. I promise you we bleed the same blood and long for the same peace

[-] tusker@monero.town 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

nice, I hope they realize their whole ideology was founded by bankers and everything they fight for actually strengthens banker owned state centralized power and oppresses every individual

it is usually the young and naive that fall for communism, then after 5 or so years they realize they have been duped and enter the real world of no "free stuff"

[-] nabio@monero.town 3 points 4 months ago

@tisktisk@monero.town @tusker@monero.town you don't have to pick a side, that's the biggest trap of the system.

You don't have to pick the left or the right or the communists or whatever term or ideology/religion they throw at you. Remember, they need you to pick any side so you get involved in the system and act according to what the thing you picked tells you to.

If someone has fallen for this trap, that doesn't mean they are bad people. It just means they fell for the trap so usually they push that thing because they think it's the right thing to do. Maybe someday they realize they fell for a trap the system put there, then they will start to see things more clear and objectively. These people can be your friends tomorrow.

I'm not sitting on a high horse, I'm guilty of fallen for this trap in the past as well. Even though I'm aware of this, I watch myself just in case.

[-] tusker@monero.town 2 points 4 months ago

Agree. I also fell for it for about 3 months. The reason I hammer so hard on the communist deception is because a very large number of people have been duped by it. It has also been very destructive in recent history.

This poison was injected into state owned indoctrination camps known as modern universities, any critical thinker would ask themselves "why would the system be teaching me an ideology designed to overthrow the system".

Their main trick was duping ideological youth for fighting to increase state power under the guise of helping the working class. What the students did not realize was that the international banks own the state. So basically they were duped into fighting for the ones raping the working class.

[-] hfondmanager@monero.town 1 points 4 months ago

do you really want this guy in your kitchen?

"p2p was DOA"

sucker.

[-] tisktisk@monero.town 1 points 4 months ago

I wholeheartedly agree with you nabio but I'd like to take your logic a bit further. Only because we are in desperate and complicated times where 'not picking a side' has become yet another position to be wrongly vilified. This is why I'm fully identifying as a commie in this thread to prove a point--that being we need true solidarity that stops diminishing others over nothingness.

Disparaging against any sect over such delusions as "their whole ideology was founded by bankers" is completely nonsensical. A large majority of people admire Edward Snowden as a hero, and it's not because he was an NSA intel contractor, but because he sacrificed his freedom and safety to speak out against the massive injustices he witnessed.

Every political faction needs privacy the same. We need all of them on our team and attacking their past is never the right course of action.

[-] dragonsidedd@sciencemastodon.com 2 points 4 months ago

@tisktisk @tusker “Be nice 2 nice beings”
-Larry Wall

[-] mimblewimbler@monero.town 1 points 4 months ago

This is huge bigly.

[-] hfondmanager@monero.town 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

simplex TOS:

We reserve the right to remove such links from the preset servers and disrupt the conversations that send illegal content via our servers, whether they were reported by the users or discovered by our team.

Poberezkin is DOA. Dont't try to simplify your privacy by using federated platforms. You will be pawned.

[-] IP2@monero.town 2 points 4 months ago

I haven't had the time to look deeper into this but how does that affect anything if you self host or simply choose a different server? The way I understand it, that's exactly what they're pushing for here. How is that "federated platforms"?

[-] hfondmanager@monero.town 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The control is statistical in nature. It is predictable that most ppl wont move to "selfhost or simply choose a different server". Privacy of metadata (sooner or later users can be identified) is lost anyway. To prevent users from "selfhost or simply choose a different server" marketing is used addressing, again, a vulnerable part of population plus technical hurdles (design choice). A small number of ppl (you?) will always escape control and manipulation.

If ppl choose the statistically centralized type of federated platform they should at least be aware of the trade-offs. Convenience vs. privacy/blacklisting. If there are only a handfull servers all controlled by the same companies its not even federated, its a marketing gag.

As you "have no time to look deeper into this" we will end the discussion here.

[-] IP2@monero.town 1 points 4 months ago

I see what you mean, that's a fair warning. You're still making me feel like I'm missing something major though. Technical hurdles by design you say?

[-] chaser@monero.town 1 points 4 months ago

As you “have no time to look deeper into this” we will end the discussion here.

I find the questions you raise very useful, but this tone totally kills the ability to convince anyone.

I tend to think that the ability to simply switch to other servers with a few clicks/taps is a big improvement over the Signal model, where you're at the mercy of a single company. I agree that until community-run servers emerge (I don't know the progress on this) and people switch to those, SimpleX-the-company can perform a limited form of statistical surveillance. they can also defederate from any server (I suppose that's how they would carry out the "disruption" they mention in their terns of service), though that's something that every server can do.

is there a better architecture that can prevent this? if there is, we should look into that.