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Is no place on earth safe of them? 🤢
The greed will continue until ecological collapse.
Based on what I've seen, I expect it will continue until well past collapse too.
Where it will blame the left for all the damage the right did.
"It was God's judgment."
Yes, probably it will.
That's not the only way it might go.
This is just normal left / right politics.. every country has it. One side builds and people get bored and new media love to stir shit, then other side comes in and sells / destroys / winds back.. people get up on arms and vote the other ones back in and the cycle continues
There usually has to be a lever for the far right to use, usually rampant economic inequality. Ardern never really addressed the fucked up housing market in NZ, which was the perfect tax free investment vehicle for those with money. Deny people the right to get their own place and move on with adulthood and you have a pretty big lever that the far right can use to fenagle their corporate sponsored anti environment bullshit with a dash of fascism into power.
This seems to be the story in many countries right now, unfortunately, and fascism has been on the rise globally for years.
Almost as if certain governments and malefactors of great wealth were coordinating in promoting it.
"Both sides," says one side.
Hard Right nationalists: who the hell do you think you are, trying to slow down the apocalypse?
The unfortunate thing is the country is running out of money, and unlike much of the world we haven't had massive natural resources we exploited in the industrial revolution to build our country wealth.
Do we like it- no. But were also a country of 5 million that sells low value goods and are a tiny % of global co2. Our country is less than 200 years old, at the end of global logistics chains, with an area that (from the top of my head) would reach from Denmark to Spain.
We are not running out of money and our debt level is near the lowest in the OECD.
The significant austerity measures around the country strongly disagree with you.
Auckland just canceled a significant number of its infrastructure projects, and the regional fuel tax along with significant cuts in maintenance - 30% reduction last I heard
Hamilton is nearly being mothballed to save money.
No idea about other major centers.
So noe ypu ask yourself: why?
Where is that money going?
Why are we having tax cuts of various types... only to borrow more money?
Ooo, I got quite good at this game. Let's see...
A low GDP per capita economy, significant logistics chains and costs, low nation ownership of productive assets and banks, lack of economies of scale from infrastructure spread over a wide area with low population, surprisingly lack of accountability for project over runs....
And yes, class divide which funnels money upwards rather than reaching investment in the country.
Howd I do?
A low GDP per capita economy
Still higher than some countries who manage much more. We beat Korea, Japan, Spain, hell, we edge out France.
significant logistics chains and costs
Good thing we are getting some new Toyota Carolla Ferrys to help make those logistic chains better!
low nation ownership of productive assets and banks
The same party that is now claiming we need austerity, also sold of several of those productive assets.
lack of economies of scale from infrastructure spread over a wide area with low population
Fair. I think most of our main infra is pretty consolidated, but a large portion of our economy is based on farming, which by it's very nature, is spread out.
surprisingly lack of accountability for project over runs…
On this we agree. I also think that cancelling good projects, simply because it's the "other sides" project, should also have accountability.
A low GDP per capita economy
Still higher than some countries who manage much more. We beat Korea, Japan, Spain, hell, we edge out France.
My numbers are a bit outdated (pre covid), I thought NZ was around 80k, France sat closer to 1.2 million.
Interesting point - you also picked countries with significantly higher population in close proximity to major trade routes and markets.
significant logistics chains and costs
Good thing we are getting some new Toyota Carolla Ferrys to help make those logistic chains better!
Its a shame they love to drag the chain, so to speak...
low nation ownership of productive assets and banks
The same party that is now claiming we need austerity, also sold of several of those productive assets.
Oh, make no mistake im not supporting national in any of this. Just stating the issue and where the country is.
lack of economies of scale from infrastructure spread over a wide area with low population
Fair. I think most of our main infra is pretty consolidated, but a large portion of our economy is based on farming, which by it's very nature, is spread out.
Agreed- unfortunately low value bulky goods that fetch global price means it sucks for us consumers.
surprisingly lack of accountability for project over runs…
On this we agree. I also think that cancelling good projects, simply because it's the "other sides" project, should also have accountability.
Couldn't agree more. 4 year election cycle, cut the crap and let's get this country better.
You thought France had a 1.2 million USD per capita GDP? At that rate their GDP would be... 82 trillion. Dwarfing Chinas mere 18 trillion.
Interesting point - you also picked countries with significantly higher population in close proximity to major trade routes and markets.
Honestly, I went to a country per capita list, and picked out some names that stuck out. I'm not sure if you could ever find a country that's really comparable, in many ways we are at the end of everything.
Agreed- unfortunately low value bulky goods that fetch global price means it sucks for us consumers.
One of my big pushes in the last year has been to pay attention to food miles when purchasing... and sweet fucking jesus. The cheap stuff we import, and then sell our expensive goods overseas for minor margins.
Couldn’t agree more. 4 year election cycle, cut the crap and let’s get this country better.
I think this is a trap. A lot of our problems come from how easy it is to change things, IMHO. I'm not going to go find a source now (eating my lunch), but our democracy is unique is how easy it is to change laws. A lot of other countries have more checks and balances than we go, eg a upper house. Though in comparison we have the check and balance of MMP and multiple parties having to form a coalition.
Terribly, with a layer of sneering smugness to boot. The austerity justifciations are national party spin, swallowed whole. The govt is throwing billions to landlords and mega roads while cutting funding for public housing, critical infrastructure and even fucking food banks at a time of record demand for them.
They're also dumping costs onto households by cranking up user charges and abandoning councils to pay for decades of infrastructure underinvestment.
So no, they've chosen to loot and plunder.
Yeah, you can't use austerity as evidence of economic problems when austerity is NP policy. Self-fulfilling prophesy.
And the only real reason for austerity is to make the rich richer and drive inequality even higher.
Except the austerity measures started when Labour was in. Admittedly not to that level, but they were aware of the issues that national took and run with.
Fully agree the landlord one is bullshit, but I find it interesting you don't consider roads critical infrastructure, especially considering we are still diffused throughout the country and don't have the density for lots of mass transit.
Finally, everything you have said is a symptom, not the underlying cause - you've told me Nat is cutting costs on key areas (yes), but you asked why it happened in the first place. Its the country wide symptoms I mentioned, and these can't be fixed in 3 years no matter who is in.
I didn't say I don't consider roads as critical infrastucture, I specifically said "mega roads", i.e new multi lane motorways that are a waste of money because they will encourage more driving, more sprawl and make traffic even worse in the long run (and I imagine local roads will deteriorate as they did the last time this happened).
Three waters, the ferries, state housing, public transport are all better options right now that are woefully underfunded and in fact actively sabotaged by this govt.
The "we don't have the density" argument is often pulled out against funding public transport and it's unfounded. We're one of the most urbanised countries in the world. We could absolutely build more PT if we chose to, we've had far more extensive networks in the past than what we currently do.
Overall, saying what's happening is a symptom is just an attempt to claim what's happening right now is inevitable imo. Different choices can be made that would be far less damaging, they'd be positive even and actually address the underlying problems you highlight instead of this "better things aren't possible" fatalism.
I didn't say I don't consider roads as critical infrastucture, I specifically said "mega roads", i.e new multi lane motorways that are a waste of money because they will encourage more driving, more sprawl and make traffic even worse in the long run (and I imagine local roads will deteriorate as they did the last time this happened).
Unfortunately the time to deal with the alternative here was 30 years ago. We aren't a 15 min city (none if them are) and changing this will take decades.
Three waters, the ferries, state housing, public transport are all better options right now that are woefully underfunded and in fact actively sabotaged by this govt.
Agreed, moving on.
The "we don't have the density" argument is often pulled out against funding public transport and it's unfounded. We're one of the most urbanised countries in the world. We could absolutely build more PT if we chose to, we've had far more extensive networks in the past than what we currently do.
Sydney has 6 million people compared to Auckland 1.2., Melbourne 5 with similar land area. If you look at % then yes, look at people per sqkm we are no where close.
Overall, saying what's happening is a symptom is just an attempt to claim what's happening right now is inevitable imo. Different choices can be made that would be far less damaging, they'd be positive even and actually address the underlying problems you highlight instead of this "better things aren't possible" fatalism.
Yes, better choices can be made, they will improve the country in the long run, but people struggling now get to vote. Balanced books get votes on confidence, ease of lifestyle and business as usual get votes, getting kicked out if my car and more regulations lose elections.
Yeah like I said, "better things aren't possible" fatalism.
Sydney has 6 million people compared to Auckland 1.2., Melbourne 5 with similar land area. If you look at % then yes, look at people per sqkm we are no where close.
So you don't need as many buses to achieve the same coverage. Public transport infrastructure costs are not fixed for a certain land area, they are also proportional to potential ridership.
Backwards- if you want to cover areas your network needs to be the size to cover it. Its much more comparatively expensive when you have 3 people riding each route rather than 18.
You're correct on main lines, however you can also run larger busses.
Our country is less than 200 years old
Presence of Europeans in your country is less than 200 years old.
I went of treaty of Waitangi, like how America was "founded" at the declaration of independence.
Flipside, I cant exactly say us Maori were developing a strong road network, industrial base and civil structures now can I?
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