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Prison forces trans woman into solitary confinement at a men's facility (www.lgbtqnation.com)

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[-] toomanypancakes@lemmy.world 100 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

So she was transferred to a men's facility from a women's, denied any opportunity to appeal, and thrown in solitary for not going willingly. I wonder, are they going to keep her in solitary for the rest of her imprisonment, or are they going to release her and put a woman in with the men at the prison? Either seems like a completely fucked up option.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 79 points 2 years ago

Suffering is the point...

[-] Huschke@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago

Maybe in the US. Civilized nations treat their prisoners with decency.

[-] doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago

It's Definitely not just a US thing, although the scale of incarceration in the US is immense. it's just a handful of European countries that actually treat prisoners ok.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago

Yeah, lots of European nations also have to be more civil with their prisoners, doesn't mean it's okay that they aren't.

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[-] Melody@lemmy.one 38 points 2 years ago

Rationally; she did break a rule. Logically; that should've seen her placed in the 'Female Solitary Unit'; as she was already classified as female.

Unfortunately, the prison also made a large mistake, and she should not have been 'transferred' to a Men's Facility.

[-] awesome_lowlander@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago

She wasn't placed in solitary for breaking the rule, that's a fairly common rule to break. She was placed in solitary for resisting the transfer.

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[-] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Here's an additional article with significantly more background information: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trans-rights-prison-amber-kim_n_6557ce06e4b0998d69a049d4

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

That’s not news, it’s just a common cruelty

[-] indomara@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

This is really sad all around. Sex isn't supposed to happen in prison, but it happens in men's and women's facilities. The fact that this person was only vilified and transferred to a men's facility after someone at the DOC leaked the investigation documents and an article was run dead naming her and implying she was a predator is so wrong.

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 4 points 2 years ago

I might not be understanding something, but if she's being placed in solitary, I'm not really sure what difference it makes what type of facility she's put into. My understanding is that you don't get to interact with anybody in solitary, regardless of gender. I can't imagine there's too many gender-specific accommodations that are made in these situations.

[-] DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone 56 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Maybe actually read the article? This is right at the top:

When Kim realized she was being removed, she asked to speak with her lawyer and see paperwork authorizing the transfer, which was denied. Kim then refused to walk as commanded, at which point she was allegedly thrown to the ground by guards, who tied her ankles and wrists together and put her in the back of an SUV, she said. At Monroe Correctional Complex, Kim was put into solitary confinement, for allegedly “refusing transfer.”

She wouldn't be in solitary confinement if they hadn't moved her.

[-] mohammed_alibi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Maybe the title of this post or the article needs to be updated if solitary confinement itself wasn't the real issue, but rather that it was a transgender woman being transferred from a women's prison to a men's prison?

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[-] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago

She was put into solitary because she refused to be transferred.

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 14 points 2 years ago

Ahh, gotcha. I see now, I originally thought she was being put straight into solitary from the start. That definitely changes things then.

This is one of those tough stories that really challenges your morals. Part of me wants to take her side, because no woman should be forced into a men's prison, trans or not. But then there's another part of me which feels a bit indifferent to the suffering of a murderer. Part of me thinks "just put her in solitary back in the women's prison", but then another part of me thinks "actually we shouldn't have solitary confinement in any prisons in the first place". It's just an awful situation from every angle.

[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago

We live in a society where the law is decided as much by precedent as by policy. Whatever punishment we as a society can be inflicted upon the worst scum of society, will be inflicted upon the innocent. Upon the wrongly convicted, those whose crimes harmed nobody, and those who were right to do what they did. If we don't fight injustices against the deserving, that will be used to justify injustice against the undeserving.

They refused to respect her legal rights in three different ways. We have to believe this is an injustice when it is committed against anyone. There's no ambiguity here.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

a murderer

Motive matters. She killed her abusive parents. It's highly likely she was a victim of society failing her. That doesn't excuse what she did, it just means she's not the same as someone who killed for money or fun.

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