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Biden tells Hill Democrats he ‘declines’ to step aside and says it’s time for party drama ‘to end’ (apnews.com)

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[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

How about you first of all pull your head out of your ass and understand the existential nature of the situation, Biden? It’s starting to look like you’re one of the last people in the party that just doesn’t fucking get it. We’re probably not going to have real elections anymore if you lose to Trump, and you don’t seem to be taking that seriously. You’ve done fuck-all over your term to actually combat the rising fascism in this country, and we’re in this situation in large part because of that. Get out of the fucking way and let someone who will actually treat the situation with the seriousness it deserves have the ticket.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Get out of the fucking way and let someone who will actually treat the situation with the seriousness it deserves have the ticket

Let that person step up now. Nothing is stopping them. The fact is that nobody has as much unified support as Biden.

[-] UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works -2 points 4 months ago

Watch out everyone! This dudes BIG MAD

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

I’m honestly a bit surprised you’re not big mad at the prospect of the fascists winning the presidency in November

[-] UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

I'm mad that that's an option, but you're spewing division which is the last thing we need right now. I, and many others, have been saying Biden isn't the best choice. He should have been replaced earlier.

But now?! That's the last thing we need. One slightly bad debate isn't going to make me start in party fighting. Like it or not, Biden is our best shot. Any other option shows even more weakness. He could die 2 seconds after the election and I wouldn't care. But until then he's the number 1 choice

I vote for the party and it's beliefs, not the man.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago

I really don’t agree. And moreover, we have a contemporary counter example: Macron, his party, and the elections in France two days ago, in which Macron and his party willingly and openly sacrificed his party’s prospects simply to diminish the chance that the fascists would pull out a win. And it worked.

This is an emergency situation. Treating it like any old election is going to end catastrophically, in my opinion.

Not to mention, I pretty strongly dislike the Democratic Party for how they’ve leaned even further towards corporate neoliberal interests, but I outright revile the Republican Party for becoming theocratic fascists. There are no good choices here; only less bad ones.

[-] UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

You can't treat Frances multi party elections like our first past the line ones. That would be like saying RFK Jr should drop out so Biden has a better chance.

As soon as Biden drops out for anyone else, the Republicans gain so much ammo in us being unprepared and confused. Gives then more ammo on why they're better.

Their guy can rape, lie, and cheat but it doesn't matter. They will stick with him no matter what. Also, idk if you've watched him speak, he rambles and forget what he's saying. But they will never replace him, and as shitty as it is atleast they're strong in that sense.

If we replaced Biden now, there's 0% chance everyone chooses the same person and then everyone is weaker. So yeah, I think he should stay.

[-] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world -2 points 4 months ago

I vote for the party and it's [sic] beliefs, not the man.

Which beliefs? That compromising with fascism is the best way to deal with it? That the best way to move this country forward is to continually offer a "lesser evil"? That occasional lip-service to not being bigots is enough to distract us from the burning planet and infinitely yawning chasm between the owner class and the workers?

[-] UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

Do you have any clue what has actually been done in the past 4 years, or would you like me to list out some stuff? Cause if you read more into politics besides "the man's old!" he's been doing quite a bit for the American people

Also, if you can name a better candidate right now we would maybe be able to discuss that. But everyone is just saying 'someone needs to replace him' without any real answer. We all agree this isn't ideal. But there is no genuine better solution IMHO

[-] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 0 points 4 months ago

Harris. Easy answer. Already has name recognition, already has been planning to take over as President (if even a single Democratic advisor isn't brain-dead), and scares the Republicans because she's a woman and black. Sure, she's a cop, but there aren't any good options in the Democratic Party, and she won't put up with Trump's shit.

And isn't past retirement age. Of course she wouldn't have universal support, but I doubt there's any Democrat who could have less support than Biden right now.

As for all the things Biden has done, I have heard of a few trivial steps in the right direction his administration has done. That's great. Why isn't he focusing on them in his campaign? Ignore the Toupee. Tell us what empty promises his administration is going to make. Nearly every sentient being is a better option than the Toupee, that's not a compelling reason to vote for Biden, that's just a reason to vote for anything else.

[-] UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

So you want to throw the party into chaos and give the enemy ammo just to elect the person that's almost guaranteed to be in charge anyway? That seems pointless. A vote for Biden is a vote for Harris now anyway.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 4 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

He followed up the letter with a phone interview with MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” show, on which he insisted that “average Democrats” want him to stay in the race and said he was “frustrated” by the calls from party officials for him to step aside.

Many Democrats are arguing the attention needs to be focused instead on the former president’s felony conviction in the hush money case and pending federal charges in his effort to overturn the 2020 election.

In an effort to “get on the same page,” House Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries is convening lawmakers for private meetings before he shows his own preference, according to a person familiar with the situation and granted anonymity to discuss it.

Still other members, including Rep. Maxine Waters of California and Rep. Bobby Scott of Virginia, both leaders in the Congressional Black Caucus, spoke forcefully in support of Biden, as did Rep. Richard Neal of Massachusetts, the top Democrat on the powerful Ways and Means Committee.

Behind the scenes is Speaker Emerita Nancy Pelosi, who continues to field calls from lawmakers seeking advice about the situation, and is widely viewed as the one to watch for any ultimate decision on Biden’s future because of her proximity to the president and vote-counting skills in party politics.

House Democrats have had some of their better fundraising days yet, including a $3 million haul last Friday night after the debate at an event with former President Barack Obama and Jeffries in New York City.

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This is the kind of leadership he needs to show to convince everyone he's still viable, but a letter on it's own is not going to cut it.

I hear he called in on Morning Joe as well, I need to run that down.

Edit Found the clip:

https://youtu.be/8aziuR76Cek

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I hear he called in on Morning Joe as well, I need to run that down.

I don't watch it, but apparently Biden watches it daily to the point it's like Fox and Friends for trump.

After the debate the couple who hosts split on what to do. And the one that wasn't still Biden didn't show to a taping after.

There's been a lot of articles about Morning Joe and Biden recently

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

This is just pigheaded stubbornness.

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