A heist movie to me is one where the film revolves around someone or a group stealing something. So Inside Man and Heat are both heist films. If you also look up the definition of heist, robbery is mentioned a lot.
Are you envisioning a Payday 2 stealth run as a heist, but a loud run as a robbery?
Are you looking for like, Mission Impossible type stuff? Dancing through lasers, using masks and fake fingerprints to get into a vault?
Hilariously, I think the Now You See Me movies, featuring completely absurd magic that does not make sense in its own universe, I think those feature more 'totally undetected heists' than what are commonly considered classic heist movies.
IMO that's an odd distinction between heist and robbery. They both usually devote the first half of the movie planning the big heist, and that builds the suspense when things don't go to plan. I'm interested in seeing how the characters deal with and overcome adversary. I guess some of the suspense is if the characters can go under the radar and go undetected, but that doesn't define the genre to me.
I guess I'm curious of what are some heist movies by this definition? Like is Oceans 11 not a heist movie, because the casino owner knows he's being robbed at the time? Or Inside Man? These are quintessential heist movies.
Yeah they would be heists, they do use violence, but a lot of planning and it's not the main way of breaking in
Check out David Mamet's Heist.
Given what you seem to have been expecting, you should definitely check out Oceans Eleven, The Italian Job, and just about every Mission Impossible movie. Those are the height of elaborate heist movies. For a pretty underwhelming depiction of the biggest real world heist ever pulled until just recently, but an otherwise awesome glimpse into the life of the characters who pulled it, check out Good Fellas.
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