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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by sunglocto@lemmy.zip to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world

I guess this is a cautionary tale.

I was recently having issues with my Gmail account that's tied to my Epik ( a domain registrar ) account, so when I was supposed to renew my domain, I didn't receive any e-mails about it. When I decided to randomly check on my website, it seemed to be down. So I checked Epik and a domain that usually cost £15 a year to renew now cost £400 to renew as it was expired.

As a teenager who does not have £400 to spend on a domain, I decided to just wait until the domain fully expired and buy it for a cheaper price.

After some time, the domain fully expired and GoDaddy decided to buy it as soon as it did, and charged me £2,225 to renew the domain. I don't understand how a price that large is justified, considering that my website gets barely any visitors and I basically only use the domain for hosting stuff. No idea how hiking prices this much is legal

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[-] kitnaht@lemmy.world 241 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Sorry, but chalk this up to lesson learned. It's almost always been this way. Domain squatters will do this all the time. In fact, some domain registrars will use you searching their site for an 'available' domain, and if you don't buy it up right away -- will buy it and hike the price and sit on it for years in order to lock it down, knowing you wanted it.

btw, Namecheap says Sunglocto dot com is like $10 - so just register a .com. Not through that Epik piece of shit that you used before. Legit, use Namecheap; they've never done me wrong and have been my registrar for more than a decade now.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 102 points 4 months ago

Time to register that domain before OP gets it…

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[-] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 35 points 4 months ago

Have also had good experience using namecheap for years.

[-] sturlabragason@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago
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[-] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

Namecheap is alright, but Cloudflare only charges at cost with no markup.

[-] something_random_tho@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

Then they make you use them for DNS. May or may not be a big deal, but the reason it's at cost is to act as a loss leader to get you exposed to and buying their other products.

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[-] morriscox@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

So search for a lot of domains at random to cost them some money?

[-] kitnaht@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Absolutely. But I think it might be more advanced than that. They might have some sort of analytics that measures how long people stay on the page, etc to inform their purchasing decisions.

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[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 15 points 4 months ago

Namecheap has extra rules if you want to use an API (minimum money spent with them, minimum of domains managed with them etc.) — GoDaddy style.

Keep that in mind, if you need an API (for DDNS or for obtaining wildcard TLS certificates) you'll have to use a separate service for DNS.

[-] chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.net 13 points 4 months ago

You really should have separate services for registration, DNS and hosting. That way you’re not held hostage by a single provider.

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[-] joeldebruijn@lemmy.ml 101 points 4 months ago

Got a work related variant, a 3 letter domain we really liked was registered by a person asking a couple of hundred bucks or so. Which really was a good deal and we were more then happy to pay.

Our IT department advised guiding the transfer themselves. Instead our marketing department went ahead anyway and just agreed to "you end your subscription and after that we register it" ... instead of using transfer codes.

In the minutes between, a bulk claimer snatched it away.

[-] AlwaysTheir@lemmy.one 43 points 4 months ago

OMG. I can't believe the marketing department was that inept. Tragic

[-] seang96@spgrn.com 25 points 4 months ago

Honestly I believe it. I had a VP of sales / marketing overriding requirements making them more difficult from the CEO after getting screamed at by the CEO who wanted the product (bono project) to be quick and easy for initial release.

He also ordered IT garbage for a site once (consumer PCs running Windows not server edition)

And to top it all off went behind supervisors backs in engineering departments asking for daily spreadsheets trackong their time because "if you can go to the bathroom you have time for this.

All leadership was toxic though like the CEO screaming at him lol.

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[-] ptz@dubvee.org 98 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

After some time, the domain fully expired and GoDaddy decided to buy it as soon as it did, and charged me £2,225 to renew the domain. I don't understand how a price that large is justified, considering that my website gets barely any visitors and I basically only use the domain for hosting stuff. No idea how hiking prices this much is legal

GoDaddy is known to do that.

Technically, they're not hiking the price. GoDaddy ~~bought~~ scalped it after it expired and then is re-selling it at an astronomically higher price. It's one of the many, many reasons people hate them.

I'm ashamed to say I still have a couple of domains with GD that I haven't migrated yet. This post might just light a fire under me to get that done.

tldr - lesson learned. buy a new domain and move over to it.

but for those who want to learn something new - you are only renting your domains. If you fail to pay by the registration date then you generally get a grace period to pay more money to renew it. If you fail to pay before that period expires then the domain will be released. Some companies like godaddy will automatically buy the domain for another year (or more). But even if Godaddy doesn't then it still goes up on a list of expiring domains and there are backorder services that will try to buy the domain or auction them off.

So in the end it doesn't really matter what registrar you use. If you do not pay, it goes back to a list where people can see it is expiring and then you'll get some people who either want to legitimately use that domain or more likely they are wanting to try to sell it to you or someone else for more than they buy it for.

And I saw someone mention file a complaint. I'm sorry to say that if you did not have money to renew the domain then you aren't going to be able to do that either. This is called Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy (UDRP) and the fee is between $1500-4000 for 1 to 5 domains.. Additionally, just because you file a complaint does not mean the issue will be resolved favorably or timely. These complaints can last years, and there is no guarantee you will get the domain back.

This is why you should always pay your domain rental fee. And if you don't, then you need to either be willing to pay a ton of money to get it back or you will need to move on. Sorry its a tough lesson to learn but if you're just a student then you probably weren't using this to run a business or anything so in the end you are quite fortunate.

[-] TedZanzibar@feddit.uk 63 points 4 months ago

Make an offer of $0.01. Assuming the responses aren't automated, every time they reject it, raise the offer by 1c. Keep doing it till you hit the $15 mark and then just stop. It could waste literal years of their time.

[-] hactar42@lemmy.ml 44 points 4 months ago

Reminds me of a guy I knew who kept getting letters for a $10 parking fine he got while at university. He waited until they spent more in postage than the fine before paying it.

[-] deltapi@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

My last year of uni I was broke. The previous year the parking passes had red letters, that year purple. That was the only difference. The colour. I traced over all the letters of my previous parking pass with a blue sharpie and parked for free all year.

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[-] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 56 points 4 months ago

I have my dream domain. It was being squatted for a similar amount. I offered £100 and it was declined, I offered £250 and they replied to tell me the domain is easily worth the £2K, well sort after etc. I told them that this is my surname, and I'm not a corporation with unlimited funds and they can take the offer or leave it. 15 minutes later the offer was accepted. I was so happy. Still am chuffed about it.

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[-] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 51 points 4 months ago

Aaahh capitalism. This is what business school graduates call "innovation" and "smart".

But seriously, I'm sorry that happened to you. It's predatory, abusive, and wrong.

[-] fellowmortal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Don't pay this! You just reinforce their predatory practices. How renewals at much higher prices are allowed - no clue!

Something similar happened to a company I know - it expired and was immediately bought by domain squatters, when they found them they were told that it couldn't be sold back because the squatter had paid $XXXX for and had big plans (I assume it was BS, just a premise to get paid - no site was ever put on the domain)

Solution: they bought the .org version and bought the .com back a year later.

edit:grammar

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[-] VonReposti@feddit.dk 49 points 4 months ago

I simply don't get why domain squatting is legal. On my ccTLD it is absolutely illegal meaning you have to forfeit the domain if you don't use it anymore.

[-] kitnaht@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago

Just because you don't have a website up at [XYZ].com doesn't mean you're not using it. You could have a domain controller on the back end doing file services, or you could be using it for network auth, etc. Not all .coms exist for the purpose of putting up a website.

[-] VonReposti@feddit.dk 12 points 4 months ago

Neither do .dk domains, but in order to determine use the courts will have to be involved. I haven't heard about a lot of those cases, but I'd guess you can prove use against the person who wants to take the domain. If I have a domain called firstnamelastname.dk it'd be pretty easy to show that I got a mail address at contact@firstnamelastname.dk that's in use.

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[-] dukatos@lemm.ee 46 points 4 months ago

I knew GoDaddy is somehow involved as soon as I saw the title.

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[-] gencha@lemm.ee 35 points 4 months ago

Buy a different domain. Let them pay for this one until the end of time.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 33 points 4 months ago

You can file a complaint if they just squat on it. Godaddy is terrible

[-] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

I've always wondered how well that actually works. Anyone go through this process?

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[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 33 points 4 months ago

This happened to me years ago (the .com of my full name). I kept checking in at expiry date for 3 years and they eventually let it expire, so I bought it back for normal price.

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[-] grandma@sh.itjust.works 27 points 4 months ago

Damn you reminded me to check my gmail and there was a domain renewal reminder, thanks!

[-] Pika@sh.itjust.works 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Lesson learned, they regularly do this if you have a website that one of their crawlers hit as active. If you really care about it check in about a year later, chances are if you havent inquired within a year they'll release the domain and you can pay normal sale price for it

[-] PassingThrough@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Now would be a good time to look for a .com you like, or one of the more common TLDs. And register it at Namecheap, Porkbun, or Cloudflare. (Cloudflare is cheapest but all-eggs-in-one-basket is a concern for some.)

Sadly, all the cheap or fun TLDs have a habit of being blocked wholesale, either because the cheap ones are overused by bad actors or because corporate IT just blacklists “abnormal” TLDs (or only whitelists the old ones?) because it’s “easy security”.

Notably, XYZ also does that 1.111B initiative, selling numbered domains for 99¢, further feeding the affordability for bad actors and justifying a flat out sinkhole of the entire TLD.

I got a three character XYZ to use as a personal link shortener. Half the people I used it with said it was blocked at school or work. My longer COM poses no issue.

[-] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 14 points 4 months ago

Good news! .xyz is no longer the top malicious non-com/net/org domain.

It's uh, .top now. https://www.spamhaus.org/reputation-statistics/gtlds/domains/

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[-] atocci@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
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[-] TCB13@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

After some time, the domain fully expired and GoDaddy decided to buy it as soon as it did,

Oh yeah, that's what happens when you pick scammy domain registrars. It is very possible that Epik auctioned your domain (after wall they kept it after the expiry date and payed fees) and then GoDaddy snatched it. This is what usually happens.

[-] kautau@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

Not just scammy

Epik is an American domain registrar and web hostingcompany known for providing services to alt-tech websites that host far-rightneo-Nazi, and other extremist materials. It has been described as a "safehaven for the extreme right" because of its willingness to provide services to far-right websites that have been denied service by other Internet service providers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epik

I’m in no way surprised at what they did, and in fact only surprised that it wasn’t them that bought the expired domain, but instead was godaddy

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[-] scrchngwsl@feddit.uk 20 points 4 months ago

Sounds like you're in the UK, if so I'd recommend legit companies run by old nerds like Mythic Beasts: https://www.mythic-beasts.com/domains

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 20 points 4 months ago

Recommendation: Cloudflare, register for 10 years, set to auto-renew every year. If anything goes wrong you get 9 years to fix your credit card info.

I'm sorry you lost your domain, that really sucks, thanks for sharing your cautionary tale with us all!

[-] mtchristo@lemm.ee 18 points 4 months ago

It is either an extortion from your domain registrar or sometimes opportunistic domain squatters taking over your domain for a year or two. Check for how long it was registered a put a reminder to get it back

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[-] Cornpop@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

That’s a horrible domain name anyways. .xyz is trash, the name itself is long, hard to pronounce and sounds like gibberish. Time for an upgrade.

[-] LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 4 months ago

That's the second time I've seen someone cast xyz in a negative light. What's wrong with it? (Genuine question, in case it needs saying)

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

It's just a hallmark of "I bought the cheapest domain name TLD available".

That's not necessarily bad if all you need is something to get the job done, but there is a stereotype associated with it.

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[-] ludw@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

Time to grab sungloc.to instead?

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[-] foggy@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

Hahaha. I purposely got a jibberish .xyz domain. If they ever ask for more than the $9.99 a year they can pound sand.

[-] Perhyte@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

If you don't mind using a gibberish .xyz domain, why not an 1.111B class? ([6-9 digits].xyz for $0.99/year)

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[-] teuto@lemmy.teuto.icu 14 points 4 months ago

I had a squatter get mylastname.com after my dad died. After a while I guess they noticed that I registered mylastname.net and orffered to sell me mylastname.com I didn't respond and they let it expire. I should probably register it.

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[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 14 points 4 months ago

I’ve lost my domain too. It took me two years to get it back. Hopefully it won’t be squatted for long

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