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[-] buckykat@lemmy.fmhy.ml 86 points 1 year ago

Unlike libertarians, the fediverse isn't a bunch of pedophiles

[-] peer2pirate@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 1 year ago

I sure hope so. Fuck libertarians and fuck Meta!

[-] LiesSlander@beehaw.org 54 points 1 year ago

To be clear, don't actually fuck libertarians. That's how we get more of them.

[-] Entheon@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Honest question? Are libertarians that bad? I don't agree with their ideology but are they that bad at a personal level too?

[-] Darkard@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago

When your movement centers around not having "society" tell you whats right and wrong and you can do whatever you want, people who don't like being told the things they like are bad will be drawn to it.

[-] Emanresu@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Nah, libertarians are just a fascist co-option of an old anarchist movement which distorted into pure capitalist totalitarianism. Exactly the same as ancaps.

Pretty much any legit group that's against capitalism will be distorted to be pro-capitalism and a few suckers will participate.

[-] gsa32@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

Most so-called "Libertarians" are Republicans who want to smoke weed

[-] buckykat@lemmy.fmhy.ml 31 points 1 year ago

Republicans who know just a bit too much about state-by-state age of consent laws

Ftfy

[-] xerazal@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 year ago

And employ people, even children, for the lowest wages possible.

[-] shuzuko@midwest.social 16 points 1 year ago

But but but, those children should be able to choose whether or not they work for slave wages! If they were worth more than that the free market would pay them better anyway! It's an infringement of my sovereign citizenship to tell me I'm not allowed to scam and/or scare vulnerable minors into selling me their time and/or bodies!

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[-] synthy@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Not sure if this has anything to do with it, but Lemmy.ml is moderated by communists, and I don’t think they get along with libertarians.

[-] buckykat@lemmy.fmhy.ml 21 points 1 year ago

To be clear, "libertarian" originally referred to what we would now call anarchists, or anarcho-communists. But at this point, the word has been pretty completely coopted by those on the right tending toward the very different ideology of anarcho-capitalism. Statist communists and anarchist communists have their own internecine conflicts, but both hate the current right wing libertarians.

[-] minorsecond@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

They're pretty much polar opposite ideologies.

[-] Entheon@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah that would definitely cause an issue lol

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[-] Drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There are different ideologies that fall within the broad spectrum of "Libertarianism" as it is used in America. They are all bad, but some are "misguided but good at heart" (and better than, say, a Democratic-establishment Liberal) while others are "you have to be a literal sociopath to believe this". The latter tend to get signal-boosted more because they get funding from right-wing foundations and think-tanks.

Most ordinary people who identify as "Libertarians" would be Socialists of some sort but have been brainwashed by Capitalist propaganda that Socialism is bad and evil and is also when the government does stuff, and the government is bad, so Socialism is bad.

The logical extreme of Libertarian thought is Anarcho-Capitalism: the belief in the Non-Aggression Principle (that no-one should ever restrict another's freedoms, including their freedom to use their private property as they see fit), that coercion does not exist, contracts are sacrosanct, and that people have an absolute right to control what happens with the things that they own. This of course runs contrary to things like "Worker's Rights" or "Anti-Discrimination Laws"; and is also where a lot of the Pedophilia stuff comes from, since children are either (1). property of their parents (in which case the parents, as their owners, should be allowed to abuse or prostitute them) or (2). free actors in society (in which case they should be allowed to give consent or prostitute themselves). The ultimate issue with Anarcho-Capitalism is that its logical endpoint is Neo-Feudalism: if you own land, you have the right to dictate what the people living on that land are allowed to do while living there; there are no Tenant's Rights (in fact, like I said before, the only right you have under Anarcho-Capitalism is your freedom to act as you please on your own property, with your own property, without interference from others). Thus, Landlords become a new sort of feudal government, with complete power over their fiefdoms.

There's also Randian Objectivism, which is a rationalist philosophy whose main influence on modern Libertarianism is the Randian Ubermensch: living your life independently, to the pursuit of your own happiness (and only your own happiness), without care for the social rules of society at large. Batman's creators have cited Randian Objectivism as a major influence; Batman is the archetypical Randian Ubermensch: wealthy, white, egotistical, and living outside of society and its rules and laws (while benefiting from them).

There are more moderate forms of Libertarianism that believe in things like Net Neutrality (that the internet, like a public service, should treat all traffic through it equally, not giving preference to certain sites or companies) or the Right to Repair (the right to repair something you own personally, rather than having to take it to a licensed repairman). It's important to note that both of these run contrary to Anarcho-Capitalism: under Anarcho-Capitalism, an ISP has a right to treat traffic through its tubes however it sees fit; and a company can lease its products with whatever anti-repair clauses it wishes. There's also Right to Roam, which is very popular in Europe (but less so in the states), the idea that you should be allowed to travel through private land, as long as you do not mistreat it.

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[-] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Libertarians will tell you this is not an anarcho-capitalist example because it obviously failed, but look up Kowloon Walled city for a good example of how an anarcho-capitalist society looks like.

[-] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 year ago

To what degree is that like my mom saying "look at Venezuela for a good example of socialism"?

I agree that libertarianism is often short sighted, but I'm under the impression that your average libertarian believes that there should be a government with just enough power and responsibility to ensure that the citizens don't infringe on each other's "liberties". I don't think that's at all guaranteed in an anarcho-capitalist society, but I could be wrong.

I don't agree with libertarianism because it doesn't attempt to solve the tragedy of the commons whatsoever. Which is why I believe the fediverse can only be maintained through a culture of cooperation of its users.

[-] buckykat@lemmy.fmhy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

The tragedy of the commons is a capitalist myth

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[-] Serinus@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Some are just young and/or naive. If you don't think past the surface it makes sense. It's (American) conservativism with less hate. And it's another tool to manipulate people into supporting lower taxes on the rich.

It's appealing at a glance because the first thing kids notice about it is that you don't have to hate gays for no reason.

[-] biscuitsofdeath@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

They are fine with removing regulations because "the market" will balance it out

[-] djstini@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago

I dont think there is a requirement for them to be "bad" but theres a lot of them who are and the ideolog kinda supports being a douche.

[-] tricoro@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

It's hard to answer this question because libertarians and socialists are like water and oil. That said, things like the end of intellectual property and abolition of the police are points that I see both sides agreeing (there might be more points, but I can't remember right now).

The problem is that aside from a few of the original writers (like Mises or Hayek, examples from the top of my head), most libertarians out there on par, or even more than tankies in their fanatism. But maybe that's a problem with most big movements anyway.

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[-] sorrowstouch@lemmy.ml 40 points 1 year ago

All I see when looking at that logo is a pube

[-] mobyduck648@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

A good flag for the subject of Zuckerberg then!

[-] Akasiek@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago
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[-] Kosta554@feddit.nl 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Good thing it is banned in the EU or at least in the Netherlands 🇳🇱

EDIT: It is not banned it needs to be approved by GDPR

[-] Steeve@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago

It isn't banned, they just haven't gone through GDPR approval yet

[-] Kosta554@feddit.nl 12 points 1 year ago

Whoops, my bad. I’m gonna correct myself.

[-] jd3@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Thank you for this integrity and wisdom. You win the Internet from long ago today! Lol

[-] Kosta554@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago

No point in fighting if my sources are not correct or It must be a Dutch thing that we must correct ourselves haha.

[-] GentooPhysicist@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

What is GDPR approval? You just need to comply to the GDPR right?

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[-] Ohthereyouare@lemm.ee 32 points 1 year ago

I've been on Lemmy for a week. This is the best post so far, hands down.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago
[-] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago
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[-] sexy_peach@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago

L M A O

OP mvp with the OC

[-] EmperorHenry@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Facebook sucks, don't use any service made by them.

We already have mastodon.

[-] Thedogspaw@midwest.social 7 points 1 year ago

You need to put the threads logo over the lemmy rat 🤣

[-] AndreTelevise@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Threads when isolated from this community: GOOD.

Threads when federated with this community: NOT GOOD.

It is your choice whether to use it or not. The Fediverse is like the Linux of social media, I like it more here and on other fedi apps than on the corporate social media.

[-] jkure2@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

The amount of people who believe themselves and their interests safe from the totalizing influence of these companies really breaks my mind.

Threads when isolated from this community: STILL NOT GOOD

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[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Shouldn't it be "Thread on me harder daddy"?

[-] NeoAgostosTheos@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

We need a hat with this on it!

[-] 5SpeedDeasil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I saw this on Instagram but not really sure what it is

[-] miha@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

It's a parody of the don't thread on me flag

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[-] z3k3lon@lemmy.pt 4 points 1 year ago

Liberty or death!

[-] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Wild wild west of meta

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