I was in a computer shop a couple of weeks ago and it seems the windows handheld makers are doing the same shit they have on their laptops - it was filled with pre-installed bloat, including some shit Norton antivirus 1 year subscription.
Something you never see reviews mention, which is crazy.
Antivirus doubly doesn’t make much sense on handheld. Today’s malware is more stealthy and focused on stealing your data, but what sensitive data are you storing on a gaming-specific handheld?
I guess there’s your Steam account, but the risk profile just isn’t the same, and it comes at the cost of performance which is already much more limited in this form factor.
I'd argue that power is more the issue. All that processor time the antivirus spends scanning and rescanning is a chunk of battery gone.
From a theft perspective, being able to hijack someones steam account is likely to be more lucrative than most. There's a window where they might be able to resell the account to someone who doesn't know how easily valve can verify true ownership and fix it.
You've still got a lot of botnets and cryptocurrency miners flying around. Ransomware is the big one that targets people with important data that a gaming device is immune to.
Isn't it interesting how operating systems have a culture? From my early days of working with windows, it was completely normal for every other program to want to run itself at startup, no matter how useless it was to do so. And people just accepted it. They thought that computers literally get slower over time or something. Oftentimes I'd glance at someone's system tray and see 15 icons or so.
On Mac and Linux though, this behavior is far less acceptable. Today on Mac it is by far worse than ever but still probably better than it was, say, on windows 98. On Linux I could literally install 50 apps in a row without any asking me (or doing it without asking) to run on startup.
It's just up to what users will put up with. So windows consistently getting shittier shouldn't really surprise us. People have put up with that from the beginning. Both in terms of the app ecosystem and the os itself.
Like we went through at least a decade on windows where most free apps people used would literally attempt to, or force malware on your machine, in the form of toolbars or other useless shit running in the background. People were so complacent they wouldn't even uncheck those boxes when offered a choice in the installer. We really need better education in this world.
Yeah on my Linux machine I've had like 2 apps want to run on startup, and both of them had little checkboxes in their tray menus to disable that behaviour. If anything the bigger struggle has been that every time I change machines or distros I have to manually get yakuake to start on login again.
For those brave enough, this year I finally took the plunge and went with Linux on my desktop.
I went with Pop OS, and after a few days decided to try the cinnamon desktop env. since it's a little more familiar. Some things took about a week to get figured out, but now I don't ever want to go back.
Gnome, even with Pop's perinstalled extensions, is not the most familiar DE for those coming from Windowd. KDE, MATE, Cinnamon, XFCE are much closer and at least a few of those you can make to look like Windows (if you for whatever reason want to)
I love cinnamon. I guess that makes me a classic guy. It’s nice without being too flashy.
Linux desktop main for about a year, and I mostly use it for gaming. Thank you Valve and Wine developers!
I switched to Mint from windows 10 about three months ago (when I upgraded my video card). Everything is so much smoother and just works. Except Remote Desktop… can’t figure that one out.
I know logically that people can do whatever they want and it doesn't affect me in any way so I shouldn't care, but I do still get a visceral eye-twitching feeling whenever someone talks about installing Windows on a Steam Deck. It's like someone buying a sports car and using it to tow a caravan or something.
It's like buying an electric sports car and immediately converting it to diesel.
People fear what they don't know. Valve has made Linux gaming stupid easy and still people are more worried about FOMO of that small percentage of games that don't run on Linux. Maybe we'll see a shift if someone releases a banger game that's designed to be really really good on steam deck (so Linux exclusive, basically) and have it out in Linux for a few months before the windows version comes out
Valve has made Linux gaming stupid easy and still people are more worried about FOMO of that small percentage of games that don't run on Linux.
Unfortunately, most of the non-working games are also the ones people tend to have FOMO about. I feel like they're mostly online games with anti-cheats which, by their online nature, means that you will feel really missing out when all of your friends except you play the game, more so than single player games.
Dude, same. I cannot understand it (for games. I'm sure people have valid reasons if they're using the Deck for some other purpose). It seems there is a cohort of otherwise relatively tech savvy people who are just terrified of all things "Linux."
Maybe they heard horror stories from friends or family while growing up and aren't aware of just how close to complete compatibility Proton is. In fact, in some cases, it can somehow run games better than if one were to dual boot and install in Windows.
Even Valve's own Steam Deck verification should be taken with a grain of salt, it seems as though they're being extra conservative with those. I've gotten several "unsupported " games working (very easily), for example , Dark Souls: Prepare to Die edition is listed on Steam as "unsupported," but it works great (with DSFix even) on my Deck.
ProtonDB is a far better resource for anyone reading this who hadn't heard of it.
But yeah, it's almost like this subconscious aversion to Linux. And they want to be in their comfort zone I guess.
They just can't help themselves, lol.
All that bloat is bad enough on a laptop, but its the absolute last thing a handheld needs, both for performance/battery and ergonomics.
and to think there was plenty of no windows, no buy mentally when the Deck got announced. I cannot understand why would anyone go down the Windows route on a handheld, specially now that Linux has been so tried and tested
I mean, Windows would be fine if the OEM stripped it down instead of bloating it even more. They can totally do with with group policies.
I honestly don't know what they were thinking here.
I think this is it. Extra margin they can slap on at the last second.
Prosumers aren't going to care, because if the hardware is still OK, they can just re-install.
But consumers end up buying gear that is hobbled with shiteware.
User Experience matters. And Valve knows that very well.
Unfortunately it doesn't always matter. It matters after the sale is made, so many hard thinking departments think they can skimp here. Apple and Steam know different and it's working for them. But they built trust for years.
I had to set up a Mac for our sole marketing employee yesterday. I didn't want to go back to my windows computer. I was only asked for an icloud the entire time. Windows has become a shabby ad platform with an OS attached to it.
Someday, Windows might be as good at gaming as Linux.
I love how the tables have turned.
YEAR OF THE LINUX ~~DESKTOP~~ HANDHELD
Windows is cancer
If you want Steam Deck experience on these handhelds, take a look at Bazzite. It already supports the Ally X. Runs like a dream on my Legion Go.
This is a sensible recommendation. Even though I despise windows and Asus has support issues historically ( very lame ones even), the hardware itself is very good and any Linux distro can be easily flashed.
I wouldn't dismiss the handheld based on a windows review really ( hint : windows will forever suck).
Hopefully articles like this get more companies contributing to steamos/proton
Just 45 minutes for windows updates? Must be a bitching internet connection.
Eventually Microsoft is going to be forced to adapt and make an operating system that doesnt use 20% of your system resources, right?
surely they wont continue to make the same bloated, sluggish OS every year since windows 7 right?
Uncomfortably rare Windows L
After the Stephen catastrophe, I can never read the Verge without thinking how utterly inept they are.
Care to give some context?
This is a reupload https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2lmfF0k2UcU
Edit: it's easy to say Stefan was the idiot here, but he's some 20 year old kid that's built only 4 PCs at this point. The editing, continuity errors, etc were all the Verge management. The fact that a tech news company has no one that knows how to build a PC is mind boggling. Then it was sponsored by Capital one....
I just wont consider other hardware until its fully supported by something as seamless and smooth as the steamOS experience.
Windows/Xbox needs a handheld specific OS for these devices.
But my guess is if it they ever do have one, it's first going to be on their own handheld.
After that other companies can pay a steep price to have it on their handhelds, I bet.
other companies can pay a steep price to have it on their handhelds, I bet.
Probably not, they still need market share. More likely it would be just locked down, filled with ads, and generally unusable.
Ordered mine. Unfortunately Steam doesn't sell those officially here. Had to order through third party seller and pay more than what muricans pay while earning less. 😭
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