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Judge Orders Louisiana to Remove Children from Angola Prison by September 15 (www.aclu.org)

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[-] clockwork_octopus@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago

Jfc America, get your shit together.

[-] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

... Is this not? Lol this is how it's always been.

[-] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

September 15th?? Why not yesterday??

[-] athos77@kbin.social 20 points 2 years ago

Because they're not going to be released from prison, they're going to be moved to a different prison. The judge is giving the state a week to find an alternative place and make arrangements for their transfer.

[-] quindraco@lemm.ee 19 points 2 years ago

This article put zero effort into explaining why the children were there in the first place, so I went looking.

Some teens escaped from the Bridge City Center for Youth and in response the Governor started sending children there. Same article:

DOC has identified a vacant building on the grounds of the Louisiana State Penitentiary that, with minor modifications, can house many of the juveniles currently at BCCY, while keeping them in separate facilities from adult inmates at all times.

I believe BCCY is juvie of no particular subtype, i.e. we can safely assume these kids committed some crime, but have no basis for speculating what sort of crime.

[-] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago

Heh, minor modifications.

[-] Noodle07@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Aka kid modding

[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 9 points 2 years ago

Why were there children in prison?

[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Same WTF done with internet today children shouldn't be in prison period and should have been immediately not give them until the 15th so they can continue to be cruel to them or time to appeal his decision.

[+] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What else do you do with violent teenagers that commit robberies and other violent crimes?

All of the teens at Angola were moved there after they committed more violent incidents in other juvenile centers or escaped.

[-] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You sure af don’t throw them into adult prison with zero access to schooling, no counseling, and punishments like being locked in solitary for days on end. Not unless you WANT to ensure they stay criminals.

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago

Which they do because they use them for slave labor at Angola

[-] flipht@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

I agree with you overall, but they are not "in adult prison" - they're in a separate section, fenced off from the rest of the prison. LA juvenile facilities have been in disrepair for years, and the kids often riot and wreck shit (I would too if I were in their situation, so I'm not judging), but that means the normal facilities often aren't suitable either. They're basically renting space from Angola.

We just had some major prison reforms, but we still need a lot of changes to the juvenile system.

[+] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago

So again, what do you do with them when they have committed further violent attacks against other teens that are trying to get better?

I’m not defending the conditions, but saying stupid shit like “wHy ArE kIdS iN pRiSoN aNyWaY” is dumb. Because they committed violent crimes. That’s why.

[-] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You do not put children in adult prison. It doesn’t have the facilities for counseling or education to help them.

You’re acting like they aren’t still minors and we should just give up on them because they’re violent instead of trying to rehabilitate them.

And also, we have no idea if these teenagers were put into jail for violent crimes. There’s nothing saying that in the article. You’ve just decided it out of nowhere and set up a straw man.

[-] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

No I read other articles about it. Including one from last year when they were first moved out of juvvie.

Gov. John Bel Edwards, a Democrat, announced the decision to move the teens to the Louisiana State Penitentiary at Angola on July 19 after a series of chaotic fights, injuries and breakouts from the Bridge City Center for Youth near New Orleans, including an alleged carjacking by an escaped teen during which a man was shot. Residents in the surrounding community say they’re living in fear and have called for the facility to be shut down.

These are extremely violent teens committing serious violent crimes. After already being in juvvie.

So again, what do you do with extremely violent criminals that break out of juvenile facilities and commit attempted murder and carjacking while they’re on the escape?

You move the violent ones to a facility that can handle violent criminals and keep the ones that want to rehabilitate in a normal juvenile facility.

[-] AnonTwo@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Why do you keep responding to "So what DO we do?" by just repeating what we shouldn't do?

Sure you can make the assumption that what they did shouldn't have put them in prison, but the legal system did come to that assumption. And you have to either resolve the reason or resolve the solution, you can't just ignore both.

[-] SeaJ@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Juvenile detention like any fucking sane place, dorkus.

[-] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

All of them WERE in juvenile detention already. They were moved out after committing further violent acts against other juveniles.

So again, what do you do with violent teenagers that have already had a chance in a normal juvenile detention center and committed further violent crimes while there?

[-] GeneralVincent@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Can you provide a source on that? Also, you can provide a social worker or professional counselor at the very least. Which this prison promised to do and failed to deliver.

[-] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/louisiana-sending-youth-angola-prison-rcna39150

Following a slew of alarming headlines about violence, mismanagement and frequent escapes from Louisiana’s juvenile lockups, the state’s governor offered a new solution last week: temporarily moving teens to the notorious Angola prison for adults.

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Gov. John Bel Edwards, a Democrat, announced the decision to move the teens to the Louisiana State Penitentiary at Angola on July 19 after a series of chaotic fights, injuries and breakouts from the Bridge City Center for Youth near New Orleans, including an alleged carjacking by an escaped teen during which a man was shot. Residents in the surrounding community say they’re living in fear and have called for the facility to be shut down.

At a news conference, Edwards stressed that the Angola move is temporary, aimed at reducing the population at the troubled Bridge City until more secure youth facilities can be built or renovated. The state has too many teens in its care to consider closing Bridge City entirely, he said.

It was roughly 25 kids in juvenile detention already that were too violent for the facility they were in, including breaking out and shooting someone.

[-] GeneralVincent@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Thanks for the additional context! Sounds like Louisiana has an issue with prison management at both adult and juvenile detention centers

[-] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Yeah Louisiana is a shithole in a lot of regards. Their prisons are god awful third world hell holes.

I’m absolutely not defending how prisoners, teens or adults, are treated there. It’s abhorrent and the Feds should step in and put some heads on pikes over it.

I’m just saying the article is using “children” pretty loosely here to put an image in your head. These aren’t innocent scared little kids. These are teenagers that have committed very violent crimes including attempted murder.

[-] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

That’s sadly common across a lot of the South.

[-] Clent@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

I've found there is an overwhelming amount of loud morons in these communities. This is thread has been no different. The downvotes speak volumes.

The demographics here appear to lean heavily towards people with zero awareness of the world outside their bubble with zero curiosity to expand it.

[-] ZooGuru@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

#SaveTheChildren huh?

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