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[-] asyncrosaurus@programming.dev 109 points 1 year ago

I continue to be baffled and amused by the complete meltdown of the typescript community over the actions of a single man on a single package. The only people who have legitimate gripes are those that had been actively contributing and whose work was erased. The rest of you are acting absurdly childish. The anger and vitriol being thrown at anyone who disagrees on how to write javascript would make me embarrassed if I was associated or involved in the ts community.

[-] amzd@kbin.social 121 points 1 year ago

They not only removed typescript without implementing an alternative breaking many projects depending on that library but they did it without informing the open source community which means many people who invested their time in making PRs (there was 60+ open PRs) have to basically completely redo their work.

[-] asyncrosaurus@programming.dev 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, and the people directly contributing to the project have legitimate gripes. Although, the parable of dhh is if you get on an asshole scorpions back, don't be surprised if you get stung. Dudes been an unreasonable prick for nearly 20 years now.

My comments directed at the manufactured outrage from the tooling zealots incapable of having a mature conversation. Or even accept a difference of opinion. The number of comments that start with, "never heard of Turbo, but let me weigh in on why you're an idiot for not liking Typescript. " is very telling...

[-] learningduck@programming.dev 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Which project is this? So, the project owner did this?

Ah, it's Turbo

[-] riskable@programming.dev 14 points 1 year ago

To be fair, how could you not believe that he was gonna go Turbo?

[-] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago

Ootl, what's going on? I haven't read anything

[-] forksandspoons@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Start here https://github.com/hotwired/turbo/pull/972 and then https://github.com/hotwired/turbo/pull/973

Tldr someone moved a popular repo from typescript to JavaScript, the negative response was quite overwhelming.

[-] Black616Angel@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago

The speed of a single-page web application without having to write any JavaScript

Ahahahahahahaha! 😂

[-] dukk@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

The fact is that I actually rather like JavaScript. I'd go so far as to say it's my second favorite language after Ruby. Yes, a distant second, but a second none the less. This wasn't always the case. But after we got proper classes in JavaScript, and all the other improvements that flowed since ES6, it's become a real joy to write.

Is it just me or is the tone here unnecessarily aggressive?

(Read the PR to understand)

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[-] Grappling7155@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 year ago

It started here: https://world.hey.com/dhh/turbo-8-is-dropping-typescript-70165c01

[-] Overlock@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sorry, I'm out of the loop. Can you ELI5 what happened/what even is going on with TS?

[-] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 19 points 1 year ago

Nothing is actually going on with typescript. This guy who's a big name in programming for creating a lot of good things and having a lot of shitty opinions just removed typescript from one of their projects and some folks are desperate to make that be a big news.

They removed typescript because they saw no benefit in using it. Then a lot of folks who can't deal with typescript got excited because "hey someone is trashing that thing I hate".

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[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 year ago

When I saw "dhh" on the post about this turbo decision that said it all really. Dhh is a tool.

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[-] 00dani@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 1 year ago

huh. what was the rationale for removing it in the first place? seems like a waste to throw away a whole codebase worth of perfectly good type annotations

[-] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 16 points 1 year ago

They wanted to generate controversy to help market a new set of products they are announcing.

[-] NatoBoram@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

No rationale provided.

[-] foobaz@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

shitposting

[-] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 5 points 1 year ago

JSDoc enjoyers:
tumbleweeds rolling

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[-] magic_lobster_party@kbin.social 121 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

CI/CD is useful regardless of which language you’re using. Sooner or later some customer is going to yell at you because you didn’t discover the fatal error before deploying.

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[-] jmk1ng@programming.dev 56 points 1 year ago

Did it work? How do you know that? A consumer of your package sends a int when your package expects a string.

What now?

[-] sik0fewl@kbin.social 45 points 1 year ago

Consumer just needs to write 4x as many unit tests to make up for lack static typing. Hopefully the library author has done the same or you probably shouldn't use that library.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

4x as many unit tests

Well... the people fighting against TS are simply not testing things thoroughly. So they are not writing those tests.

Some times that's even perfectly ok. But you don't want to build things over a complex library that has this attitude.

(Except for svelte. It's meaningless for svelte, as TS was always a really bad fit for it.)

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[-] jet@hackertalks.com 34 points 1 year ago

Hey man it passed the CICD. Not my problem

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[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 22 points 1 year ago

People seems to be riled up by this, but turbo is mostly used with ruby on rails, right? I'm not familiar with ruby on rails, does it actually support some form of static typing it type hints? From the blog post, the dev (which is also the ruby on rails creator) doesn't seem to be a fan of bolting static typing into dynamic typing language.

[-] tvbusy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 year ago

RoR is very... specific. Some love it because it comes with magic. Many hate it for the same reason.

You either knows the magic and love it, or you hate it with a passion. You never really know when (not if) your change will break the system because it's supposed to name in a very specific way that work by, again, magic.

[-] umbraroze@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

In Ruby, the convention is usually that things are duck-typed (the actual types of your inputs don't matter as long as they implement whatever you're expecting of them, if not, we throw an exception). Type hinting could be possible, but it basically runs contrary to the idea.

Now, Ruby on Rails developers are expecting some kind of magic conversion happening at the interfaces. For example, ActiveRecord maps the database datatypes to Ruby classes and will perform automated conversions on, say, date/time values. But from the developer perspective it doesn't generally matter how this conversion actually happens, as long as there's something between the layers to do the thing.

[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 6 points 1 year ago

It's also used quite a bit with Symfony framework (PHP) which is strongly typed. I use it for example at https://schedule.lemmings.world. A shame, really.

[-] Sgarcnl@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Repo?

[-] annoyed_onion@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

It was for turbo

Pr: https://github.com/hotwired/turbo/pull/972

Context: https://youtu.be/Bv3YhGku92w?si=uuyb8Cyfn06BLX6o

[-] UlrikHD@programming.dev 24 points 1 year ago

Got a few minutes into the context video before I head to close it. Do people actually enjoy YouTubers presenting stuff in this manner?

[-] PizzaDeposit@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Yes I do.

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[-] dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 year ago

Do we now have "influencer programmers" now? 🤣

[-] annoyed_onion@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

We always have had em, they're just on YouTube now too 😂

[-] tuna_casserole@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago

Huh... now that you mention it, I guess that's what people like Bob Martin and mpj (along many others of course) might classify as. Would any guru fall under this category?

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[-] Rooki@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I still dont get it why they remove ts????? its dumb in many ways.

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[-] tills13@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I'd reject anything from Theo too tbh

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[-] fbmac@lemmy.fbmac.net 10 points 1 year ago

are browsers and libs good enough to do front end without a build step yet?

[-] adrian783@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

you're perfectly welcome to throw hand rolled html/css/js on an ftp server

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