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submitted 9 months ago by gomp@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml

I've been looking around for a scripting language that:

  • has a cli interpreter
  • is a "general purpose" language (yes, awk is touring complete but no way I'm using that except for manipulating text)
  • allows to write in a functional style (ie. it has functions like map, fold, etc and allows to pass functions around as arguments)
  • has a small disk footprint
  • has decent documentation (doesn't need to be great: I can figure out most things, but I don't want to have to look at the interpter source code to do so)
  • has a simple/straightforward setup (ideally, it should be a single executable that I can just copy to a remote system, use to run a script and then delete)

Do you know of something that would fit the bill?


Here's a use case (the one I run into today, but this is a recurring thing for me).

For my homelab I need (well, want) to generate a luhn mod n check digit (it's for my provisioning scripts to generate synchting device ids from their certificates).

I couldn't find ready-made utilities for this and I might actually need might a variation of the "official" algorithm (IIUC syncthing had a bug in their initial implementation and decided to run with it).

I don't have python (or even bash) available in all my systems, and so my goto language for script is usually sh (yes, posix sh), which in all honestly is quite frustrating for manipulating data.

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[-] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago

Elixir checks most of those boxes. If you want a good functional scriptibg language, Elixir soynds like the go to. Some lisp language like guile should also be sufficient, and probably have a lighter footprint.

This requirement stands out though:

has a simple/straightforward setup (ideally, it should be a single executable that I can just copy to a remote system, use to run a script and then delete)

Thats basically what ansible does. If you plan on doing this to multiple machines you should just use ansible. Also how do you plan on ensuring the scripting interpreter is installed on the machines?

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[-] Ramin_HAL9001@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I would go with Guile, because it is built-in to the Guix Package Manager which is a really good general-purpose package manager.

It ticks several of your boxes:

  • has a CLI interpreter
  • is a general purpose language, Scheme, amd compliant with revisions 5, 6, and 7 of the language standard
  • allows writing in a functional style (it is one of the original functional programming languages)
  • small disk footprint, but still large enough to be "batteries included"
  • decent documentation, especially if you use Emacs
  • simple setup: not so much, unless you are using Guix to begin with. The standard distribution ships with lots of pre-built bytecode files, you need an installer script to install everything.

It also has pretty good libraries for system maintenance and reporting:

[-] matcha_addict@lemy.lol 2 points 9 months ago

Since you like guile, I would recommend you checkout rash (search "rash shell language" on Google. Sorry too lazy to link it).

It is based on racket, but made to be shell-like, and is very nice. I believe guile used to have a similar project that isn't maintained anymore.

[-] savoy@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 9 months ago

There's always nushell. It's fairly new, not quite to 1.0 yet (0.96.1 at time of writing), but the constant breaking changes seemed to have stopped. It hits all your points and it's quite fun to use when writing scripts. Bonus that it's also pretty much tailor-made to manipulate data.

[-] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 4 points 9 months ago

Perl or python for things likely to already be there. Maybe ruby or PHP if you must. I used to work in groovy a lot but I think it requires the JVM

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[-] Frederic@beehaw.org 3 points 9 months ago

Quickly came to write "AWK!!!!!!!!!" but yeah... you don't want its superiority... 😜

[-] Findmysec@infosec.pub 3 points 9 months ago

Perl would be my candidate for more advanced text handling than what sh can do.

Never used Lua but I think it's fun.

If nothing else works, just learn C/Rust. There's plenty of that on Linux systems, I think you'll be able to manage. Yes, it doesn't meet a lot of your requirements.

[-] Deckweiss@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago
[-] gomp@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

nim is great, but it is >200mb (plus AFAIK it is compiled... does it also have an interpreter?)

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

The part where it's compiled is what makes it have no dependencies to actually execute

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 3 points 9 months ago

Why not give (Common)LISP a try?

[-] Samueru@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

posix sh + awk for manipulating data?

[-] mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 9 months ago

You should probably check out Guile.

[-] Barx@hexbear.net 2 points 9 months ago

Why does it need to be a scripting (by this I assume interpreted) language? For your requirements - particularly lightweight distribution - a precompiled binary seems more appropriate. Maybe look into Go, which is a pretty simple language that can be easily compiled to native binaries.

[-] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 2 points 9 months ago

Could use a hipster shell like fish, nushell or elvish. I know the latter two have the functional support you're looking for.

[-] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It is possible to wrap something like python into a single file, which is extracted (using standard shell tools) into a tmpdir at runtime.

You might also consider languages that can compile to static binaries - something like nim (python like syntax), although you could also make use of nimscript. Imagine nimscript as your own extensible interpreter.

Similarly, golang has some extensible scripting languages like https://github.com/traefik/yaegi - go has the advantage of easy cross compiling if you need to support different machine architectures.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

perl might be on all your systems. It’s kind-of a legacy, but still actively developed. It’s not a great language: it looks like bash scripting on steroids. But if you just need to write some small scripts with a language more powerful than awk or bash, it does the job. If perl isn’t on all of your systems already, then I would choose a better scripting language.

[-] Findmysec@infosec.pub 2 points 9 months ago

TBH I don't even use awk that much, even that is plenty powerful for my needs. Perl absolutely blows my mind with how needlessly complex I can make stuff with it

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev 3 points 9 months ago

Everyone always dunkin' on Perl, but I can't even tell you how often it's been the best tool for the job. Like, at least 3

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 months ago

You could use Ansible for automation just keep in mind it needs python.

Bro seriously just slap pyenv + pyenv-virtualenv on your systems and you’re good to go. They’re absolutely trivial to install. Iirc the latter is not a thing in windows, but if you’re stuck on windows for some reason and doing any serious scripting, you should be using WSL anyways.

[-] paardendrummer@todon.eu 1 points 9 months ago
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