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[-] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 229 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

FYI - the owner of this site, gamingonlinux, was a mod on the !linux_gaming@lemmy.ml community until they were caught abusing their moderator powers. Then they deleted their account and complained on mastodon that it's stupid design that mod logs are public.

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 124 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That's one of the things I love in lemmy. Moderation transparency.

[-] orgrinrt@lemmy.world 73 points 2 months ago

I’m boosting this and the screenshots too, but just thought I’d point out for quick scrollers that it does not seem as dramatic as this comment initially lets you believe.

I mean it’s awkward, but just seems more like your usual social awkwardness/incompetence than malicious behavior as such.

[-] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago

I agree that the main interaction was mild, but if they were willing to go this far to try to hide this, then that shows how low the bar is for them to try to manipulate things to their favor and liking with the trust that was given them as a moderator.

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[-] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago
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[-] myersguy@lemmy.simpl.website 18 points 2 months ago

Do you have any sources for this?

[-] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 68 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Deleted comment:

I called them out for not following their own community rules:

Please be nice to other members. Anyone not being nice will be banned. Keep it fun, respectful and just be awesome to each other.

and they deleted their account.

[-] MonkeyDatabase@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What was wrong with them removing your comment? You were being annoying 🤷‍♂️

Their response seemed perfectly measured to someone being needlessly pedantic.

Edit: And also Shuts down? Did you miss the 'down'? Was the title edited after the fact? What does the rest of that modlog say? The screenshot is cropped.

My perspective is you were being annoying, got downvoted/called out, feigned shock, got your comments removed, and now you're on a bitter smear campaign.

This is the weakest accusation of mod abuse I've seen. Good grief.

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 53 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yes, their comment was extremely annoying, both in tone (whining) and content (TL;DR: "pls spoonfeed me basic reading comprehension"). If the mod simply removed the comment, or issued an official warning, it would be 100% warranted.

However, what the non-mod user is saying ITT about moderator abuse is still spot on. The mod in question answered to the whining in tone, tried to cover their own arse with content removal, and then went to whine in Mastodon about the events, or the fact that there's transparency functionality in Lemmy (the mod log) against the exact same behaviour that they showed there.

So it's a case where both sides were wrong but given their relative positions the mod being wrong is a bigger deal.

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[-] MBM@lemmings.world 24 points 2 months ago

Pointlessly snarky comments are one of the worst parts of Reddit and Lemmy and I fully support mods putting a stop to that. I guess the important part is to be transparent about it

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[-] myersguy@lemmy.simpl.website 19 points 2 months ago

Thanks! Not quite as wild as I was expecting (kind of surprised this was enough to push them to delete their account)

[-] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Mod abuse is mod abuse, regardless of the level. They clearly felt embarrassed for needlessly being mean and getting caught for it after trying to hide the fact.

Then they tried to excuse it on their mastodon.

If they're willing to go through all that for something so minor, they would absolutely be willing to do the same to hide worse behavior.

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[-] JTskulk@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Fuck that guy.

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[-] TootSweet@lemmy.world 210 points 2 months ago

Microsoft gives the Wine team infectious mononucleosis. Got it.

But seriously, Microsoft is nobody's friend and shouldn't be trusted.

[-] dan1101@lemm.ee 74 points 2 months ago

In an organization as large as MS there have to be a few good guys. Just don't let the corporate leadership hear about it.

[-] Thorry84@feddit.nl 47 points 2 months ago

I know a lot of folk that work at MS or have worked there, they are all very good people. They are highly motivated professionals that are top in their field. MS is a rich company and they recruit the best they can. However those are not the people making any kind of decisions. And it's a cut throat company, if the budget gets cut, you are out on your ass. At least in most of the world, where strong employee protection isn't a thing.

Don't get me wrong, MS has a lot of bad apples just like any other company. Useless managers who say dumb shit and take praise for other peoples work. A leadership that doesn't care about anything except their bonuses and the bottom line. But at least as far as the engineers go, there's plenty of really good folk.

People also seem to forget how huge MS actually is. And a lot of the time the different branches within the company are as far away from each other as can be. Even within the same branch one can only talk to so many people.

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[-] MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 202 points 2 months ago

I am no Microsoft fanboy, but I get the impression people are a bit overly skeptical here.

I think this is fairly obvious. They have no further use for it, they can either let it rot or they can do the tiniest bit of effort and get some positive PR. It might also just be as simple as an initiative from some employees.

[-] kautau@lemmy.world 76 points 2 months ago

Yup, what they needed from Xamarin was absorbed into .NET and now that have MAUI for cross platform stuff, it was either sunset mono or give it to someone else

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[-] EmasXP@lemmy.world 154 points 2 months ago

TIL that Mono is a Microsoft project. I always thought it was an open source reverse engineered .NET

[-] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 118 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It was only a Microsoft project the moment they bought Xamarin.

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[-] Dremor@lemmy.world 93 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It was at first, then they became a for profit organization, Xamarin, who was bought by Microsoft.

[-] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 94 points 2 months ago

I can't help but think that Microsoft has decided to proceed in some way that will break compatibility, so they're done with Mono now.

I know it's skeptical, but I just have no faith in that company to act in good faith with anything.

[-] paf0@lemmy.world 45 points 2 months ago

dotnet is now a multiplatform framework itself. Do they still need mono?

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[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 months ago

As much as it is beloved, I don't think windows sees Linux / wine as any kind of substantial threat.

[-] kautau@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

I think they do in the enterprise hosting / software dev world, which is the reason for so much effort being poured into WSL, but for standard client applications or the “average user” switching to Linux I agree

[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah, they want to be able to get people totally off Linux as a root OS.

By creating WSL, they now can say, "Oh, you like to develop for/on Linux? Well good news, Windows has Linux built in! Just come on over to Windows and you can use WSL and Linux on Azure for all your Linux needs!

[-] Zink@programming.dev 22 points 2 months ago

And WSL is pretty good according to one of the other guys in my department that’s been using it.

The problem for Microsoft is that my entire user experience is better when I boot straight into Linux and use all their software (except vscode) in browser tabs.

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[-] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 72 points 2 months ago

Microsoft is cancer but then so much of tech is going that way. We shouldn't lose sight of small victories, this is a good result. The EU is enforcing more openness and transparency in the sector. These are the type of changes we need.

[-] funn@lemy.lol 68 points 2 months ago

What's the twist? There must be some reason.

[-] lily33@lemm.ee 122 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I guess it's simply the framing: It was a not very actively maintained open source project. So they've decided to turn it over to a new maintainer. Calling that 'donation' is a bit pushing it

[-] twinnie@feddit.uk 45 points 2 months ago

Most of the time a company does something like this they would just let it die. It’s good that Microsoft have at least made the effort to hand it over to a team who’s willing to keep it going.

[-] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 16 points 2 months ago

...Like MS-DOS getting open sourced. It's pretty much worthless unless you need to use some really old device.

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[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 45 points 2 months ago

What’s the twist? There must be some reason.

.NET runs natively on Linux since quite some time. Honestly, I don't get what Mono is even good for these days. Maybe reverse engineering old .NET versions.

[-] chaospatterns@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

.net core is the future but Mono is still important for running legacy .net framework applications like ones that use WinForms or WPF. That's pretty much it. Anything new should go straight to .net core.

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[-] lemann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 months ago

.NET runs natively on Linux

Only .NET Core sadly

When I moved my personal laptop to Linux I needed WINE to run some source-available .NET apps that were written targeting the Windows-only .NET Framework

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[-] auzy@lemmy.world 55 points 2 months ago

Jeezus. Microsoft can't do anything without people talking crap about them 😂

[-] Wooki@lemmy.world 93 points 2 months ago

It's almost like they have a terrible track history and hold the gold medal for antitrust and enshitification.

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[-] CynicusRex@slrpnk.net 40 points 2 months ago

If someone evades billions in taxes but one day donates 50 dollars it doesn't absolve their wrongdoings whatsoever. This is just an attempt at trying to improve their image.

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[-] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 months ago

No corpos does something for the good of the people. It just so happen that this particular thing does.

Behind every move, there is a price tag attached to it.

By doing that, Microsoft is trying to get good PR.

[-] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago

You're not wrong, but if we want companies to keep doing things for good PR, we need to reward them for it.

They're basically giant badly trained dogs that happen to control every aspect of our lives.

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[-] sep@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

People have experience.

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[-] thesmokingman@programming.dev 42 points 2 months ago

Microsoft has had dotnet-core for awhile. If you are running production dotnet loads (eg a C# app), you’ve probably been using those Linux containers for awhile. This doesn’t surprise me; they usually aren’t interested in maintaining an open version of software they have more restrictive licenses for. Enterprises will continue to use dotnet-core and Microsoft will probably do something to shoot mono in the foot in a few years.

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[-] neclimdul@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago

Read the headline and thought "there's a catch..."

Finally got around to reading the post and Microsoft is very politely saying "we've completed stealing their shit now. Don't know why anyone would want it, use ours now. You can have it though."

Thanks I guess? I'm glad it's out of their hands now and with an open source group that cares and can make a difference.

[-] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago

Now give us DirectX on Linux

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 32 points 2 months ago

But Vulkan is better anyway

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[-] Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

That's a good.way to burden a competitor with a huge project.

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