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[-] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

didn't everyone run out, two years into the war (1915/6?) for the exact same reason that US/Russia/Europe recently did?

[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 51 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It took them years of intense warfare to run out. NATO stockpiles would last a few months. That's not indefensible because NATO doesn't intend to fight an artillery war, but the limited industrial capacity is still concerning. I suppose that many other factories would be refitted for the production of weapons if a major war actually broke out, but I do worry that Western Europe has gone soft after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Again, that's not indefensible because spending vast amounts of money on weapons in the absence of any enemies that would pose a serious threat is not prudent, but rearming now seems like the wise course of action.

(Not noncredible enough? Too noncredible? I'm only qualified to comment because I played StarCraft a lot.)

[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 week ago

Maintaining idle production capacity is expensive. Really expensive, for such specialized tooling. And war has changed a lot since 1918, artillery is no longer a lone fighting force like it once was. Countries have chosen to tool for different types of armament in a lot broader strokes.

I'm sure, if the need arose, plants could retool a lot faster than you realize.

[-] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago

That’s not indefensible because NATO doesn’t intend to fight an artillery war

We didn't expect to fight a war against a country with an army straight out of WW2.

We're trying to help a country fight a war with 60 year old gear. Give them real tech and let them roll the idiots.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 1 week ago

Considering that's what the only two militaries that could challenge NATO are...

[-] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Don't leave me in suspense, who does number 2 work for?!?!

No military could challenge nato. If China tried they would suddenly have the largest fleet of permanent submarines in history, like Russia has been.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's great, but they still conquered all of mainland Asia!

[-] Noodle07@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Just need a deep tank line to deal with the Russian zergling rush

[-] x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago

Yes that's what happens when a country is at war and every industry is helping.

[-] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

To me it seems like comparing Western industry with China's that China is way better at making stuff that is good enough to work but simple enough to mass produce things like crazy. And that's most of what you need in a war.

Force multipliers are great, but sheer force can't be discounted either.

Thanks for coming to my ted talk

Quantity is a quality all its own

[-] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 1 week ago

That works better on the ground than sea or air. No matter how many MIG-29s you have, an F-22's only problem will be having enough missiles to put into them.

  • bullet tumbles sideways into target *
[-] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Hey it worked in metal gear solid 3

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

How many drones per day can Europe make though

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 1 week ago

Spoilers: not a lot

[-] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 1 week ago

Dumb artillery or smart ones?

this post was submitted on 03 Sep 2024
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