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submitted 1 year ago by gamer@lemm.ee to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

The mastodon and lemmy content I’m seeing feels like 90% of it comes from people who are:

  • ~30 years old or older

  • tech enthusiasts/workers

  • linux users

There’s nothing wrong with that particular demographic or anything, but it doesn’t feel like a win to me if the entire fediverse is just one big monoculture.

I wonder what it is that is keeping more diverse users away? Is picking a server/federation too complicated? Or is it that they don’t see any content that they like?

Thoughts?

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[-] rDrDr@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

OK, 3/3, but I should get points for only running Linux on WSL and Steam Deck. I'm not a nerd.

Edit: and my two android phones and my router.

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[-] Fickle_Ferret@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago

Ill take it as a compliment to be considered among such folks.

[-] Kal@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

I also fit the description. I wonder if I see the internet differently having grown up pre Web 2.0. With tech corporations cracking down on user freedoms, I can't imagine jumping ship, say from Twitter to Meta, and expecting to be treated any differently.

As a nerd, I'll use a platform that works the way I want, even before the content is there. Hopefully as the amount of content grows it gets more diverse and normies will take interest.

[-] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Reddit was where we were when we were younger tech nerds, so...yeah man.

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[-] Poob@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago

The simple existence of different instances will be enough to scare away casual users.

I'm not entirely sad about this.

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[-] New_account@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

As for the ages here, the people most likely to migrate are the long term Reddit users that have had an account using third party apps since 2010 or so (because younger people have only ever known the official app). That self selects for anyone that was old enough to use Reddit in 2010 back when the user base was mostly high school / college / recent college grads. Someone in their late teens / early 20s back then will be in their 30s now.

[-] cthellis@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

"Exclusively?" No. But obviously its initial appeal was to the more tech-savvy and FOSS-centric sort, and it's byzantine enough to jump in that it dissuades many newcomers who try.

But ActivityPub does seem to look like it will pull in larger services (like Threads) so in the end "protocols over platforms" may win out by default, sorts like WebKit/Blink/Chromium has. Not everyone gonna use Brave or Opera, but the mass of Chrome users will still feed back in some fashion.

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[-] deathbypizza@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hit the mark on all 3. 🤷‍♂️ But in fairness the early days of Reddit was pretty similar.

Phase 1: Collect enthusiasts

Phase 2: ?

Phase 3: Profit

Reddit has tried lots of things in Phase 2, including borrowing many techniques from Facebook, but they're still fundamentally there.

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[-] Secret300@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Probably because tech enthusiasts are the only ones that care about their privacy so they use open source alternative before anyone else

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I feel the two big reasons are:

  1. The average user of a site like Reddit probably hasn't noticed any significant changes; or if they have, they just don't see them as a problem. So they don't have any significant incentive to emigrate to another site. On the other hand, people who are tech-savvy notice the changes; and decide they need to move.

  2. To a lot of people, the Fediverse is just not as convenient as centralized sites. People who are more tech-savvy and/or use Linux, are willing to put up with a bit of inconvenience in exchange for using a site they see as better.

It's also worth keeping in mind that right now, the Fediverse is still in its early days. Every site in its early days generally has a broadly similar userbase- people who are familiar with technology and willing to put up with some inconvenience because they see the potential.

[-] Ddhuud@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm 3 for 3.

4 for 4 of you separate item 2.

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[-] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Am I too young? My age is 19-22. Oh now I think about it, there is no teenagers community. I feel old for being here.

As for tech enthusiast, maybe. I'm always impressed with open source software, but I don't understand coding.

Linux user? Well I played around with Ubuntu, Linux Mint, and Tails, but at the end of the day, I still switched back to Windows just because how much they've dominated the world. It's hard to find programs for linux, especially games. Wine doesn't always work, Virtual Machine is just too much of performance degregation. Maybe Linux isn't meant for me.

What's keeping young people away is kids these days just like to use things that are already popular. iPhones, Nikes, Instagram, TikTok, Youtube. None of my classmates from high school know what Linux is, know about the Snowden leaks, think iPhones are the best because everyone else is using them (I'll admit, I fell victim to peer pressure and got an iPhone, but now I switched back to a Galaxy so I can install apps without a corporation approving it, and I gave the phone to family.), wants 200 dollar shoes, constantly on mainstream social media in class, disrespect teachers even the nice ones. I mean kids these days just don't care, they want to have fun with minimal effort, they aren't gonna spend 5 minutes to try to understand the fediverse.

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[-] whereisdani_r@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

FB was only for college kids, now it's for your grandparents.

Absolutely tick those boxes. And it makes perfect sense.

[-] JustinAngel@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I just joined and I suspect that you're correct: there's an overall learning curve. No snarky tone intended, but explaining decentralization to those who would likely struggle with grasping the basic client/server model is going to be challenge.

Shoot, I've got 10 years pentesting and R&D under my belt and it took me a while to weigh the pros and cons of creating an account on a public instance or self-hosting. (Will self-host eventually...enjoying a test drive.)

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[-] gila@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't think there's much keeping users outside that demographic away, more so that the fediverse is a tech solution to the reddit problem, so naturally the people that flock to lemmy are the type of person that looks for tech solutions to the problems they experience in daily life.

My mother just had her illegal IPTV streaming box stop working recently, was her solution to find an alternative? No, she simply stopped watching her shows and did other things instead, and complained about it. And that's with full denial of service, not just limited/compromised service like reddit users currently experience.

It wasn't until her tech-savvy nerd son set up another IPTV box for her that she was able to resume consuming the content she wanted to, and similarly lemmy won't really take off until it reaches a critical mass where enough tech-savvy nerds have shown regular people Lemmy as the tech solution to the problem they're facing. What's holding up progress with that at the moment is that the reddit problem for most people isn't significant enough for a regular person to be in a position to do anything about it, even if they are directly inconvenienced.

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[-] Under30NoLinuxNoTech@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

Before seeing this post, I didn't see a reason to make an account instead of just lurking, but now I made an account because I feel more special.

If this was your plan all along, you have my utmost respect.

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[-] StinkyDave@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I left Reddit because I like browsing on my phone while pooping. They took that away from me.

If YouTube forces me to remove AdBlock, I'll leave that too. And if Windows 11 forces me to create a Microsoft account then I'm moving to Linux.

But yes I'm 39, I run a tech repair shop, but I'm not on Linux... Yet.

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[-] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Uhm I’m a Mac user sweaty. But yeah the rest applies lol

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[-] mranderson1984@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

Fucking zoomers with their tiktoks and snapchats, what was so wrong with old school forums?

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[-] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago

I dont think 30 is that old

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[-] sour@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

am teenager

[-] MrShankles@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Well... damn. I'm mid-30's; Tech is (definitely) kind of a hobby of mine; and I use Linux for learning, experimenting, and... uhh, tech hobby stuff lol. I can solder a little, and sometimes it actually works!

Maybe it's because that cohort is the fastest to adopt. We grew up with a rapidly changing internet, we're kinda used to navigating the glitches/unfamiliarity, and it's just more familiar (to us) in a "back-to-basics" way. I feel like I've entered a nostalgic "place" that has become better since I last visited.

With Memmy for ios going full-live, the multitude of 3rd party apps at full throttle, and Facebook ready with "Threads" - this just seems like the first wave of what could be a hell of a storm. The content will increase and diversify, that's inevitable now.

The question is: do people want to be responsible for maintaining a user-controlled platform? Or would they prefer an operator help to connect us? We'll see, but I guarantee there will be some fresh af memes coming through here in the mean time, so no worries

Hell, while you're here... throw some of those old ass memes (or almost any pic you've got saved on your phone) onto !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

Be the change you want to see and shit

Or don't, it's not like anyone can really judge you when you're anonymous... but you'll know. Months from now, when you're lying in bed, unable to sleep because you were complicit in the apathy; you'll wonder if it could have been different. You'll try to bury the intrusive thoughts and "what ifs", but you'll always wonder...

"Could it have actually worked? Might we have taken claim to a piece of independence in the future of world communications?!"

... and the thought slips away, as you mainline another 40 min of memes directly into you're neurotransmitter reservoir, for sustenance and maintenence

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[-] BlessedDog@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Age 16 here. I'm getting old, eh?

[-] t0m5k1@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

As a 49 year old IT worker I think you guessed well lol.

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