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Now this is direct action ๐ซก
Comrades... I hope if any of you decide to do this, if you're going to record it... At least cover up your faces.
Man the difference in perception between stunts done by virtue activists, and actual actionable activism is wild.
Throwing paint on historical artifacts to make a point โน๏ธ. Throwing paint in clean rooms to change the situation ๐.
Throwing paint on historical artifacts to make a point โน๏ธ. Throwing paint in clean rooms to change the situation ๐.
I still don't really get people who defend defacing artifacts as it doesn't really prove a point or make anyone join their side. But on the other hand throwing paint in clean rooms is golden as it actually does something ๐
I'm just in favor of throwing paint at things!
And my shoe.
I don't understand how you can value art more than life. Those are just things and usually they aren't harmed because they're behind glass as intended. How any multi million dollar art piece isn't behind glass is beyond me.
It's not even valuing art more then life. It's more like "yeah, but why?" Like go throw paint on a BP execs car or something. That'll make headlines too if done right.
Do you legitimately think anyone but that bp exec will give a shit? No right? So it's ineffectual, you're essentially saying you rather protests be so wildly ineffectual that you never have to hear about it. That's valuing art over life, they aren't protesting for the standard color of buttons on men's trousers they're protesting for the survival of the human race.
And them vandalizing art is pretty ineffectual too. I'm all for them doing effective protesting. But I'd argue with the throwing of soup on art they're making themselves a joke. If throwing some soup on the mona Lisa and chopping the head off famous sculptures or putting a hole in the ceiling of the sistine chapel actually did save lives then I'd be all for it. But it doesn't. Go shut down parliament, chain yourself across a bridge, throw soup on a pro oil politician. Ground Taylor Swift's private jet making her miss a concert date. Go ham.
You're making a lot of assumptions about me too. You need chill the fuck out throwing around your accusations. There's a lot of inaccurate shit I can say about you too.
You're taking about it, it's not ineffectual and I'm fact statistically and historically the only effective protests are the ones that get people's hackles up. It might, you won't actually know we will both be dead before that can be analyzed. Those are all examples that would be more effective that attacking a private vehicle of a person who can buy 30 and not be financially at risk.
Nope, I used your statements. If some random art piece that a museum doesn't appreciate enough to keep secure is more valuable than the message they brought with them then you value art over life. It's not complex.
Go right ahead and say what you want boo boo, it wouldn't effect my point and you know it.
Dude, I literally don't give a shit about the art. Just because you talk about it doesn't mean it's effective. If everyone is mocking you then it makes your message a joke. No one takes you seriously.
And no, you made a lot of leaps to get to your conclusions about me. From your completely brain-dead take I could say you actually don't care about the message at all because you're uncritically supporting an ineffective form of protest which does more harm than good. Why do you love the oil companies? There are as many leaps in my statement about you as yours to mine.
This is the real part. When you argue like that it makes it clear that you engage in bad faith,assuming the worst of everyone and further alienating people from the message and the cause. So if you actually DO care, which I assume you do because I don't automatically assume the worst in people, do better.
You do or there would be no difference between an execs car and art.
Try harder.
Ed: should I point out that you're saying the same shit they said about MLK, Harvey milk, pride day so on so forth. Literally every protest is said to have been done the wrong way because some fragile fuck just simply doesn't want to be bothered by the thought that maybe their inaction is the problem not the protestors or the way they're protesting.
The first time that throwing paint on something really did something about the situation.
Kinda weird that the "clean room" seems to have a zinc-sheet roof? Shouldn't it be a bit better hardened?
Most of the military manufacturing infrastructure is not protected against external attacks. Only stuff that goes directly to the front lines is armored.
Clean room
A prerequisite for a clean room is a roof
What did they actually do? I see they threw paint, but was it in the can and then it collapsed the roof? Did they cut the roof away? I'm not sure of the logistics here.
They sprayed paint into the clean room, contaminating tools and equipment that are required to make materials and components that require zero contamination. They will likely have to replace alot of specialized equipment, and that can take a ridiculous amount of time.
They might have thought they contaminated a clean room, but that certainly did not seem to be constructed like one. Teledyne makes a lot of electronic parts for a lot of different airframes in a lot of locations.. It's unlikely this vandalism did anything substantial.
Looks like a concrete floor there, which would generate dust, therefore this just can't be a clean room by definition. If so they'll probably just have to clean up the paint and maybe replace a few things and get on with it.
The second action in the video, looks like putting expanding foam into the air filtration system, is much, much more damaging. That's building infrastructure that will have to be torn out and rebuilt, which will shut down production for ages. A lot of people are going to be a lot of angry about this, and these two on camera are going to be hunted down and prosecuted.
I don't think shutting down production of warplanes that are already in service will do much to be honest. It won't slow momentum of Israel's genocide one iota. You could devastate the population of Gaza with WWII era planes, since they're basically at this point just starving to death without electricity. So no need for F35s. I get that it's a strong form of direct action but the actual effect it will have is minimal, and balanced with the risk to the protesters, it's pretty low on the reward/risk scale.
I think these two are morally in the right, but need to think more about how they can be effective.
So what do you suggest? This group has put multiple Elbit factory out of action so as a collective effort this is effective.
It's not effective (as courageous as it may be) because it will not reduce the death toll in Gaza. The planes already in service, plus the infinite planes on standby will continue to destroy helpless civilians regardless. This particular group has put multiple factories out of service? Do you have a source for that?
Ansewr the question please, what should be done?
Lol no. Just because I'm able to point out the flaws in this action didn't mean I should have all the answers for you. I still have the right to criticise even if I don't present a nonexistent perfect strategy.
Your source does not verify your claim. It says one factory, and you said multiple.
Based
I really appreciate the second activist's attention to PPE. Sabotaging a military industrial site is dangerous work, no need to make it more so.
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